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I'm starting to get around to planning out assembly on our boards for the FCI in august, and i was wondering how durable are the boards expected to be. one of our club members suggested using luan, because it's cheap, flexible for those corners, and lightweight.
we don't use boards here, so it's a new thing to most of us.

Well emo x fag, in my experience I'd say wood boards are easy to build and easy to tear down so that ends up being a popular choice but more often than not they are not very strong.
Sometimes due to availability chain link is used. But this makes for poor spectator-ship and the ball usually gets stuck. Not my favorite but you cant beat the price.
Next we have dedicated Hockey rinks. Most of the time this is a crowd pleaser. As long as it's actually available and has a smooth surface and doesn't slope real bad to one side.
But for me there is nothing better than five foot brick walls. But I know of just one place to find that.

Also there are parking garages, and philly has some unorthodox ideas but I wont touch on them here.

Good luck,

Doug D
Brooklyn, New York
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Doug D wrote:

But for me there is nothing better than five foot brick walls. But I know of just one place to find that.

We have concrete walls, that is really flat.

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Doug D
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That is sick

Until you get dizzy from riding in circles and turn to goal (at speed) only to see the rail/wall right in front of you... you then spend the rest of the trip re-gluing a split chin back together (drinking too many cheap Barca beers may not have helped). Barca polo rocks.

In my experiences hay bails in side of garbage bags with corrugated plastic glued to the side of them is the best of the best. it simply can't be beat. there easy too lay out and when your done just set em' a blaze.

just make sure that the corrugated plastic isn't even all the way around so the ball gets stuck as much as possible. That's ideal.

Pro-friendly bike polo!

sometimes i wonder how montana is doing. do you think the philly kids still talk to him, they never mention him on this site. i hope he knows just cause we all think he is a big fucking idiot, it doesnt meant hes not welcome here, or that we hate him as much as danny boy hates mustache guy

Allmost funny almost worth corecting you! Seriously where is that guy! I met him once or twice! Where are you MONTANA?

Joey wrote:

Allmost funny almost worth corecting you!

No need... it's true... I really do hate mustache guy.

That is Ben for you!\You will understand him soon enough....

I think I've got a pretty good grasp. <3

chain link was a first choice, then i mentioned the ball getting stuck, so we though using old bike boxes about 2 feet high around the bottom. the boxes turned to luan. then i said old pallets and luan. the issue is lugging hay bails around ain't real easy. but i do love setting things ablaze...

For chain link, don't just think about the ball getting stuck, but fingers and handlebars.
A handlebar stuck in a fence is a real good way to get a your stem jammed in your dick.

You'll see. Unless you drilled out your eyes because they were too heavy.

Rob_G wrote:

A handlebar stuck in a fence is a real good way to get a your stem jammed in your dick.

CHAIN LINK IT IS!!!!

Bales, godammit, hay bales. B. A. L. E. S.

Quit relying on spell check for usage decisions.

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Doug D
Brooklyn, New York
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Nice one.

Wanna buy some polo stuff?
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ALL SEMI COLONS MUST DIE!

we built our boards with a 2 x 6 frame and sheeted it with 3/8th plywood. To attach it to the ground we used PL400 and drilled holes into the pavement with a hammerdrill and then drove in 6 inch twisted spikes. The boards do not move. Not recommended for a temporary setup however, and price may be an issue too.

Concrete wall, freshly paint, on one side.
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Wooden pallettes at every end. Could be better, but strong and easy to built.

The other long side is a concrete small step (maybe 2 ball high) with a chain fence.Image hosted by uppix.net
Source for last photo, Niels Ackerman:
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for our courts in memphis, we snuck around the city and grabbed a bunch of pallets and cut them in half with a hacksaw. they've last about a year and get the job done.

some of the drawbacks include:
- wind and contact knock can them down fairly easy
- setup and teardown is not enjoyable
- as they start to wear, nails may start to protrude

wouldn't recommend it for a tournament though.

Hay bales is actually an interesting idea. Google straw bale construction and look for ideas. I have looked at the construction, they pinned some together with rebar, and then pushed a wire through on a rod to sort of sew the wire fencing to the bales, then mortoar over it all. Everything I see is a home, so the top of the bales is covered by a roof. I guess rounded tops of the walls would shed water.

If you can figure a way to have a raised base, to keep the bottom bales from sitting in, and absorbing water, they will last a long time. Straw won't rot 'IF' kept dry. Maybe a bottom double row of cinder blacks as a base on the court, topped by bales?

There are hay bale homes in Nebraska still standing from homestead days over 100 years. Drought years dependant, straw bales are cheap. Unfortunately this is a drought year around this part of the country.

Stack the bales 3 high, sew on a cover of some free chain link fence/chicken wire/garden fence wire, coat with a few layers of mortar (smooth finish would be best) and it ought to make one heck of a wall.
Jeff

YES!!!

Why hasn't this been done yet?!?!?!

Okay catfish, I'm going to move my mouth like this...

Hay bales are weak against fire type attacks.

You need to research that just a little bit more. Straw bale homes have higher fire ratings than conventional construction. I am not discussing just stacking open bales of straw like at a go kart track.

Think about applying, whatever heat source you want to think of, to the stucco covered straw bale. You aren't doing much more than heating mortar.

A straw bale stucco'ed wall is never going to be a fire hazard, not be a conflagration like watching a home go up in flames. This is not loose pieces of dry grass, but a densly compacted package of cellulose.

Think about lighting a piece of paper versus lighting a telephone book.

When you see, if you have seen hay bale fires, which can be tremendous fires, these are open to the elements, got wet, began decomposing.

When hay gets wet, it decomposes and gives off....? Methane, that's correct. And the pressure of stacked bales is ...... pressure = heat in this situation.

Finally, those hay bale fires you may have seen, likely bailed wet as well. Always a huge mistake.

This link shows a decorative wall built with straw bales. on the site they discuss fire ratings as well. http://foodforest.com.au/strawbaleBuildingProject.htm

This link details a Fire Insurance test passed by Straw Bale walls http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/08/straw_bale_cons.php

Lastly a wiki link. http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Straw_Bale_Construction/Characteristics/Res...

Nobody is going to successfully burn down a straw bale stucco wall.

As written early in the first post, the straw has to remain dry. That is why a cinder block base allowing drainage, and not letting straw bales remain on the court in wet weatcher is a must.

But not for fire considerations, but because wet straw will decompose.
Jeff

sorry, man. you're trying to make a legitimate point and i'm detracting. really, all i'm trying to do is crack a tired joke about worlds '09.

No problem. I am dumb enough I thought you were serious :)

Okay, I take things pretty literal.
Jeff

I found some straw bales @ $3.50 per bale, 30 miles west of town. I also found a guy locally with “loads of cinder blocks and red brick”.
I am waiting to hear back from him. I wrote and explained our project, that the project involves the City, we are poor, etc. $1.50 per block is his asking price.
Hey, I’m not proud, I want material to finish our polo court(s).

I have thought a bit more on the straw bale use since I last posted, here is my 2 cents.

Here is some straw bale information for those whose interest is perked but are not familiar with the product, except maybe having sat on it.
Straw is just the cellulose waste product of wheat, rice, and several other crop products.
Straw is not hay. Hay is livestock feed, straw has nothing in it, just cellulose best I know.
Building with straw is easy, at least as to how far one bale will cover, and how easy it is to build structures with limited skills.
Straw bales are most often seen in two different sizes;
2 stringer (2 wire) bales are 14 inches tall x 36 inches long x 18 inches wide @ 50 pounds or so per bale.
3 stringer (3 wire) bales are 16 inches tall x 48 inches long x 24 inches wide @ 80 pounds or so. per bale
2 stringer bales would probably be a better choice for wall construction at 30 pounds lighter weight per bale, give or take.
You get a longer bale with the 3 stringer, but the 2 inch height increase and 6 inch thickness increase aren’t worth the weight. I suppose someone will do the math and let us know on that comparison.
2 layers of 2 stringer straw bales on top of a double wide layer of cinder blocks gives you a wall that is very close to 3 feet high.
So, let’s say we have permission, build our rounded ends.
Lay out your wall on the court, and drill holes to drive rebar in the court for your twin width cinder block course. This way you can make bond beams of your entire cinder block base.
The rebar also is what attaches your first course of straw bales to your cinder block.
Day one you laid out your rounded walls, drilled your holes, and installed the block. This presumes a lot of help that knows that they are doing laying block, to accomplish 2 round walls in one day.
Day two stack your first course of straw bales on top of your block, and then the second course on top of that. Prior to laying your first layer of straw bales, it might be a good idea to lay your “chicken wire” on the top cinder block layer. Then set the straw bale layers, pull the chicken wire over the top and secure back through the first bale with wire.
If you are joining these straw bale walls to wafer board walls, now is the time to figure out how you will fix that large triangle mismatch where the wafer board meets the straw bales.
Easiest method comes to mind for me is to attach some of your wire under the end of your wafer board, and stuff some loose straw in what is now a wire covered triangle.
Start mixing your mortar to stucco your walls, and you can finish a stucco first coat in one day. That is if your mud mixers are dedicated, and the beverages are kept flowing.
As to attaching walls to tennis court chain link fences, I would advise using hat channels on the pipes, and then attach the stringers to those hat channels. I would also like to see C/A Board, or similar product that can have stucco applied to it as opposed to wafer board. I guess if you are creative enough, you can figure out how to stucco right to the chain link fence, and have a really super looking court on the cheap.
Don’t forget drain holes at regular intervals in your walls.
Jeff

Don't you think the stucco would crack and fall off when collisions occurred with the wall? Easy repair no doubt, but if you have to do it every other time you play it seems impractical.

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Rick,
No not really. The stucco, really mortar in this case not a clay combination, is wire reinforced. I can't think of anything stucco in Pryor or Claremore that is not block reinforced as an example.

I think the stucco would scar up, paint and some chips will definately fly in a hard enough hit. It isn't going to be as hard as a conrete wall, nor hopefully as deadly.

I still think that best wall would be one made by attaching hat channels to the chain link fence posts, then 2 x 4 stringers on the hat channels. On the 2 x 4 stringers attach Kydex 1/4 inch thick.
Kydex, like I am thinking of, has a smooth side and Pebble finish side, both of which are vry slick. I would put the pebble finish side out, and hope the flex in the walls and the slickness of the product lessen the chance of injury to the players.
Again, 1/4 inch thick Kydex is around $200 per 4 x 8 sheet. I don't think the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is gonna help us out on this project. :)

All these ideas come down to safety, money, and durability.

I see those 16 inchwalls, those really make me wary. Especially when i see one 2 feet away from another one. Just one bad wreck.......

Ah well, just tossing out ideas on a Saturday, I would love to get the rounded end walls built, but I don't have agrand to let loose of for blocks and straw bales.

Let's keep bounding the idea around. Maybe a pool builder will pony up with gunnite ideas. That would be really fast, and hard.
Jeff

That's awesome! Im calling you rick from now on!

"wear a face mask or duck" - Tall George
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Don't say the word Pryor, it brings back memories and makes me shutter. ; )

Did I meet you last summer when I lived in Pryor and would come around to Tulsa polo? It's been a year, the names have faded.

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Rick,
I just remembered, there are some local buildings and homes where the stucco you see on columns is on top of foam or C/A board. I call it C/A , concrete-asbestos (the good kind?) but I am not sure what product the board is. I don't know if it is wire re-inforced or not, but it is pretty tough. Wal Mart may be the same thing.

Clary Sage, a stucco building on Sheridan at he Broken Arrow west bound off ramp. I watched them put that up. It is C/A or similar board with stucco on top. that stuff is pretty tough.

But this stucco is mortar. Orignal stucco, used for thousands of years, was whatever mud/clay/gypsum was around mixed with straw, or not and walls were built. We are talking wire reinforced here.

Jeff

This sounds really, really sturdy. Which makes it sound kind of terrifying in the crashing into at speed and or 180lb/80kg checking me into it.

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Mike,
Any wall strong enough to survive outside is no doubt an issue to crash into. At some point there is a stud, or a post supporting whatever you are using for a wall. An unlucky angle on a collision and yeah someone might be yelling Medic!

I kind of like the gunnite idea for speed of installation. Swimming pool Construction 101 without the hole. I guess you can do wire fence, back it up with some type of forms, and shoot the gunnite to it. You could have walls in a few days like that.

Skip the Straw Bales, skip the cinder block, lay out your court, drill a lot of holes and drive in the rebar.

Come back the second day, set your through wall drains, and pig tail tie hog panels to your rebar, and back up the outside with wafer board forms sprayed with oil for a release agent. Whatever kind of form oil that is.

Come back the third day and shoot the gunnite to it.

Skip a day for gunnite curing, and come back the 5th day to strip forms.

Walls all finished except for painting and final curing a few days for strength all in a work week.

I have 9 days of vacation left this year, who has the money for materials? lol

Jeff

Nope, never met you Rick(?). I just noted your name (?) when in these forums.

I only just started playing polo for the past 2 or 3 weeks. Doesn't take me long to realise I like something, and launch into it full bore.

Has I found out about bike polo 30 years ago, I would have been 30 years into it now.

My son lives in Pryor.

I am guessing you are now up there with all them Jayhawkers (or was that an oops wrong college town).

Jeff

Haha! love this guy!

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I bought a Hat Channel at Lowes so I could take a picture and let people see what these are.

It becomes real easy to see how you could have a wall building party when you are bolting up supports - the Hat Channels-, then bolting stringers to them - 2 x 4 - and then attaching whatever lumber makes your court walls using decking screws.

I have seen on craigslist in the past, free privacy fencing, you haul off, you tear down, etc. There would be a lot of useable material in a situation like that, with the Polo Club only investing gas and time on a weekend to accomplish the tear out.

In Tulsa's situation, someone needs to have a place to store the material until the day of the wall building party.

I just checked craigslist under free, just a few pallets, and all the way up in Vinita. Pallets would work as a substructure for some type of coating, as would old privacy fencing.

Think of pallet material or old privacy fence as lathe, like in lathe and plaster, except lathe/wire/plaster walls finished.

I noted in the Tulsa craigslist a few ads in materials "Wanted old privacy fence".

So, here are 2 pictures of a PGT2 Hat Channel for attaching horizontal fence stringers to 2 3/8 pipe, or fence posts.

I will take these tonight to insure they fit. As well as a 100' tape, chalk line, and project book to start trying to get the group to put plans on paper to make a presentation for a project approval.

As an aside, and so I am not stepping on anyone's toes, the group may well have plans, I just haven't seen them. I am a do'er and a motivator as I wrote someone, so let's get motivated. We can't get turned down until we get something on paper.
Jeff

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Being bored, I went on out to the court this afternoon to measure and see what was what.

I measured the court at 120 feet North to South by 105 feet East to West. I haven't measured any other double courts around town to check their size.

On a North - South set up, that would "fit" 2 courts leaving only about 4 feet between courts when you subtract wall thickensses. So you can have 2 courts, but you will not have much spectator room next to the courts.

I am basing that fit on my reading of the rules 6.2 and 6.3, and having been told the club had thought about going North South.

I do need a clarification of the 100 x 50 dimensions as per Rule 6.2.

So under Rule 6.2:

Does the entire court, inclusive of the 10 feet behind the goal, measure 100 feet, 80 feet from Goal to Goal?

Is the 100 feet Goal to Goal, with 10 extra feet behind each goal making the entire playing area 120 feet?

This makes a huge difference because with 120' x 105' fence to fence we can leave the courts East - West and have an 8 plus foot wide area between courts, and the same East to West on the North side of the then North court. If the distance goal to goal is 80 feet, with 10 beyond each goal.

I will bring a shovel tonight, see if the grass growing out onto the court is on top of concrete, and get rid of that if it is. I don't think I have my hand powered edger anymore, but I will look.

The Hat Channels will fit the existing fence just fine. It would take 36 (or more) just to make supports to build 45 degree angled walls at the back of the court. That is to have a 14 foot long angled wall 10 feet out of each corner. The angled wall would be 14 feet long because A2 + B2 = C2. Anyway, to come 10 feet out of each corner, we would not nessecarily hit a post. So that means you have to go to the next post, to get to a spot exactly 10 feet out of a corner.

Also, check this site out for sheets of recycled plastic. I am putting up the specific page where they talk about Hockey Rinks, Lacrosse, Skaeboards courts... http://www.sandhillplastics.com/applications/home-hobby

Off to read up on the recycled plastic sites.

Little update, this place http://www.itsrecycled.com/Sheeting.shtml offers 1/4 inch 4' x 8' sheets for $84 per sheet. This stuff is recycled HDPE U/V resistant. That is $3192 to cover the walls of a 100 x 50 court in smooth tought plastic.
Jeff

Jeff, you are my new internet hero...

Rik
Berlin Bike Polo 2010
London Bike Polo 2008 - 2010

Nice Rik,

So...How about Rule 6.2?

80 feet from Goal to Goal or 100 feet from Goal to goal?

East Van?
Little Rock?
Kansas?

Who has a court built to specs?

Jeff

On the subject of "Court Specifications", do clubs hold to those dimensions, or it is just anywhere in between the 2 court sizes listed is fine to build to?