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First Refusal Letter

So our club has had its first refusal letter from the Salt Lake City Parks Dept. we of course would like to use an abandoned tennis court in a drug dealing park that they are atempting to revitalize but won't allow a group of polo players to use because we could damage the peeling court paint. Interested in comments on how to get approval. I have seen and read the Mallet Mafia's proposal and maybe we have to go that direction. Take a look at the attached content of the letter and refusal email.

Proposal Letter
Dear Salt Lake City Parks Division Manager,

The Beehive Bike Polo Club is writing you regarding the tennis court that is located on the west side of Pioneer Park and a possible alternate use for the facility. This alternate use would improve the facility and attract the patronage that the city is trying to encourage with the revitalization plans for the park. We play a sport that is quickly gaining popularity around the country (especially in urban areas) called Hardcourt Bike Polo (HC Polo).

This sport is derived and urbanized from the original sport of grass Bike Polo that was started in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s. Grass bike polo has actually been played for 10+ years at Liberty Park on the fields on the east side of the park, without incident or damage to the park facilities or grass. We have also been playing HC Polo at Liberty Park for about a year and a half on the handball courts south of the tennis courts.

The reason the Beehive Bike Polo Club is petitioning you about the Pioneer Park tennis court is that it is centrally located and appears to offer better lighting.

It might help to have a brief explanation of the sport of HC Polo so that you will have a better understanding of our desire to use the facility. The equipment used to play HC Polo is as follows: a bicycle for each player on the court and it can be a mountain bike or a road bike also helmets are strongly recommended (our group even has loaner helmets), the ball that is used is generally a street hockey ball, four cones used to make the goals on either end of the court, and a mallet for each player (mallets are constructed of 2” plastic pipe attached to an old ski pole or bamboo dowel and don’t mark or damage the court surface). HC Polo is played on an asphalt or concrete surface and there are 3 players on each team. The opposing teams are trying to hit the ball through their opponent’s goal. Games generally end at a designated time of 10-15 minutes with the team having scored the most points being declared the winner. The time limit is also dependant up on how many players are looking to get in the next game. With the fast pace action of the game a fenced area is very helpful in keeping the ball in play. Our group has had a long standing Tuesday Polo Night and the fact that a lot of our group has families and are working professionals we tend to start our games by 7PM in the summer and 6PM in the winter and play until 11PM or as long as the court stays lit. We consider HC Polo to be a year round sport and there are many in our group willing to shovel snow and brave freezing temperatures to play throughout the winter.

As mentioned previously, we have been playing either hardcourt or grass polo at Liberty Park for many years with no incidents or complaint. Our group is willing to assist in maintaining and up keeping the facility if we are allowed to use it for HC Polo. We have investigated the court and have noticed that there is broken glass, old food, and tree debris currently littering the court. In this state it is not likely that the average tennis player would consider using it for its original intended use. If we are allowed to use the facility we would do the following maintenance items with regard to the days that our group uses the facility: general weed control as needed by hand pulling or a line trimmer (trimmer provided by our group), and sweeping the court. We are also willing to mend two decent size holes in the perimeter fence. To use the facility for HC Polo we will need to temporarily disconnect one side of the net and wrap it around the opposing post for safe keeping. When we are finished with our games we will reinstall the net. With regard to the tennis net, from our observations of the facility it would only require a wrench to remove the net and reinstall it and because our group is comprised of mechanically inclined cyclists this task would not be any trouble and you can rest assured that when we are done with our nightly play the net will be reinstalled correctly. If we get approval to use the facility the city will know that there is a group concerned and vested in maintaining the facility.

The following are items our group needs addressed for our group to be able to use the facility for HC Polo: the approval from the parks department and we need the lights around the court to remain on until 11PM on Tuesday nights if possible.

We appreciate you taking the time to review our request to use the facility as an alternate use. Some other points we would like to reiterate or bring to your attention are that the people that make up our group of Hardcourt Bike Polo players consist of people that are upstanding, hardworking, professionals, with families. Through our use of the facility as a Hardcourt Bike Polo Court we will help care for the facility and will continue to be partners in improving the park and making it a place that our families, friends, and the occasional spectator are interested in visiting. We are hopeful that the Salt Lake City Parks Department will see the advantage of allowing our growing group of bicycle enthusiast to use the facility and assist our group in giving people another reason to visit Pioneer Park.

Thanks,
Beehive Bike Polo Club
Chuck Heaton Cell# ########## or ##############.com
Stefano Foresti Cell# ########## or ##############.com
On behalf of the other B.B.P.C. polo players

Refusal Letter
Mr. Heaton,

There are a number of items that have to be considered. Tennis courts have a surface applied to them that is not resilient to withstand the activity of bikes or being struck or scuffed with mallets. Tennis courts in Salt Lake City cannot be reserved and have to remain available for open public play. Our policy is facilities should be used for the activities that they were designed for and not for activities that would damage them.

I have spend some time reviewing your request and doing some research regarding the activity of bike polo and after this review I am denying your request to use tennis courts for bike polo.

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Parks Director
Salt Lake City

If you have made it this far see my attached peply comment.

Here is the reply that I sent back.

Mr. Pope,
Thank you for your time in reviewing our request, but it appears that the city has partially misunderstood what our group was requesting. We are not looking for a reservation of the court we fully understand the position of the city that their facilities are on a first come first serve basis. We were only asking that the lights around the court be left on as long as the park is open, and letting you know that there are individuals willing to use and help maintain a facility that is in poor condition. Our intent was also to let the city know that if we were allowed to use the facility they would have people in the park in the evening with the intent of enjoying the park and not using it as a place to sleep or do other criminal activities. I am sure the city is aware that constructive activities (like the concert series or a group of people playing bike polo) help the average person walking by notice that the park is being revitalized. The tennis court “surface” you referred to is in disrepair at the park and from my information sources bike tires and plastic mallets have not damaged the tennis court surfaces in other cities. Again thank you for your time and good luck on the city’s plans to revitalize Pioneer Park.

Regards,

Chuck Heaton

you betta bring the Heat!
Chuck

now you're just arguing with the guy. you presented nothing convincing in your response that would make him change his mind.

- why do you want the lights left on? are there gainfully employed members of your club, maybe full-time, hard working students that work long hours and can't get out to play until late? [productive members of society THAT VOTE.]

- maybe he doesn't know the surface is in disrepair. take pictures.

- "...and from my information sources..." he has no idea where you got the information. document it.

- go out there and do some maintenance without asking. see if you can get someone to write about it, or even blog about it... call the city council rep who covers that area and let his/her office know what you're doing. if you spend considerable time working on the park, and the the guy freaks out how does that really look to the public when they bring the hammer down on some "kids" who are privately maintaining a park space that EVERYONE (including the City) benefits from?

- lay out an actual maintenance plan... like "twice a week we'll sweep the slab, once a week we'll walk around the park for an hour and pick up trash blah blah blah" dudes who run shit like details and outlines they can follow. Overload this guy with organized information, so when/if you have to get a city council person involved he can never say "oh, I didn't know this or that or whatever."

- invite kids out to play and teach them, even if it's only for an hour a week... it's always about the kids and city governments will have a harder time shutting down / denying a "kids' program" than they will a drunken adults program.

DanielNOLA
Thanks for the comments. There is some discussion on this fourm as to whether the group requesting permission should promise to do a laundry list of items as it gives the parks dept. ammo for cutting off use of the facility if they can point to a situation where they think the group did not do one of the promised items. Even if it is not the case.

you betta bring the Heat!
Chuck

Over-promising and under-delivering is what greases the wheels. This cat will be far too lazy to ever check your work and build a case against your polo club. Also, don't sell yourself so short. Maybe you can care about your court enough to keep it up. Lastly, did I miss read that you want the lights left on? Electricity and light bulbs aren't free. Ask for a switch on a timer if you want but don't be wasteful.

it would appear that promising to do a list of laundry items may actually get you on the court.

as opposed to not promising.

which won't.

don't quit before the heat is even on!

(talk to justin from calgary, they have some of the best facilities in the poloverse because they managed to perform simple maintenance on a run-down hockey rink over a period of time without inciting hatred from the locals. in fact, they gave them another even better place to play.)

(also, talk to lisa pitbull in east van who has played a huge role in getting the city of vancouver to build us the world's first purpose-built polo court, they poured the slab last week.)

daniel, i thought we talked about trying to be helpful on league of bike polo, lay off with the wisdom already.

it's clearly time that you over-promised to under-deliver.

Wow, that is an 'ouch' kind of dismissive reply to get back from them, sorry :(

You just need to get the word out to as many people as you can in a non-confrontational way. Talk to everyone even if you don't think they care about bike polo. A non-profit bike shop that I helped found got it's start by going to ANY bike related meeting that we could. A simple email requesting 5 minutes of their time beforehand was always well received and in fact many of these planning meetings are quite stagnant and could use some fresh topic of discussion. Lots of these planning types are well connected and have done LOTS of stuff with government so can help you plan a path and give suggestions as to who might be best to contact (you never know what influence or friends they may have in the parks dept). Make sure you have a small handout that explains the situation and has a central contact point they can email or call.

Hindsight is 20/20 but one thing you should have asked Mr. Pope is what steps you can take to further your case. Sure he may be the Parks Director, but he takes orders from someone and there may be other options he could tell you about (city council whatever), doesn't hurt to ask...the least he can do is brush you off again. Oh and yes!! Take pictures of the special court surface that can't be damaged :) and may help to have someone stake the place out and take a tally of the number of people playing tennis at the courts.

best of luck

-my stomach is a pickle-

I have heard of a few groups getting actual designated courts but has anyone got the ok to take down a tennis net and play on a tennis court?

you betta bring the Heat!
Chuck

From our parks department I got, "I'm going to pretend you didn't just tell me that you're riding bicycles on tennis courts." That was over a year ago and we play twice a week with no problems.

Do they give you crap about skid marks?

you betta bring the Heat!
Chuck

Maybe it's that we play at night and they really don't notice us. The skid marks are there but they don't negatively effect the tennis players. We play on a 7 top tennis court and just block off three of them for our use. Because there is enough space there really hasn't been a problem with tennis players yet. It is clearly posted that bikes aren't allowed but no one seems to care. Maybe just doing what you want and not getting permission is a reasonable option. If you do get in trouble maybe it will help you get into the system and they'll help you find a suitable location.

Edit: We got run off 'cuz some old lady kept calling in. We moved about a mile down the road and played on. It seems our town is lousy with lit tennis courts.

"Multi-use facility" has a nice ring to it. I don't know the situation in Salt Lake City but we started going to the meetings of a non-profit that has some measure of oversight in our park. They meet more often than our Parks and Rec department and it is much easier to get face time with them because they have a very open meeting format. Also, we're kind of in the same boat as them in that we enjoy the use of the park and have a stake in cleaning it up. And, maybe most importantly, they have a direct line of communications with the city Parks and Rec. Is there a "Friends of Pioneer Park" or some other named non-prof?

It seems like Little Rock has had the most success (without having to get arrested) from reports on this forum as far as not only getting permission, but lots of support as well. I would x2 whatever suggestions they have and get their advice/paperwork if they have any.

Thanks Cherri! I have to admit, a lot of our situation has been good luck. But we do have a big service project going at our courts this weekend and I think DaveO or I will share some of the things we learned that might be helpful to clubs in other places after it's all done.

Nateness, Yes we are working on a contact similar to what you explained.

you betta bring the Heat!
Chuck

That's great, let us know how it goes.

Comments on saying screw the permission and attempting to use the court? The net is old school and would not be difficult to take down and reinstall and there is still the question of lights and whether they are on late enough for us. Just a thought so don't beat me up for voicing it.

you betta bring the Heat!
Chuck

I would say since you already asked and got denied use, you don't have a lot going for you when somebody shows up and asks you to leave. Plus you give them more ammo to deny you future use by showing the example of ignoring a pretty clear 'no' for use by bike polo.

That said, go ahead and do what you do, but it would suck if everyone gets used to playing there, then the spot gets shut down. That or if someone shows up to play tennis, you get the boot. How likely is anyone to play tennis or call/complain or how often is someone from the parks dept actually checking up on the facility?

-my stomach is a pickle-

Receiving a citation from the parks department was an important step in the journey of SF Bike Polo. Local media became interested in the citation, and then interested in bike polo. The city supervisor found a cause to support. We're a long way from having a court built for us, but we are taking steps and receiving encouragement from Rec & Parks. In truth RPD is doing nothing but looking the other way while we play at Jose Coronado. One could call that a partial victory, getting the government to do nothing.

Be willing to force the issue. How you manifest that is up to you.

Today I was conducting another session of "The New Orleans School of Underprivileged Bike Polo Enthusiasts" out at our scenic Lasalle and Washington courts, in Central City when an incident happened that really brought to light how great my previous advice was.

So just like most other afternoons I'm performing my civic duty of showin 15 lil'chillins how to play polo, we're playing, laughing... Jeremiah's digging through my shit like he always does, looking for snacks, because he's fat, while his mom's yelling at him from across the field to stay out of my stuff. A couple of the other regulars, Reggie and Jackson are fighting over the ball and I'm trying to get the rest of them to line up. Tad and Bruce showed up with their rackets and short-shorts and tried to kick us off because "[they're] playing tennis and it's a *tennis* court" and some parents from the neighborhood who were chillin in the park stuck up for me and told them to get lost because I was "there every day playing the polo sport with the children." Get some kids and their parents involved and you can't be stopped, straight up. Radio Raheem like a muh'fucka.

Get in touch with me. I think you should try to arrange a meeting with them, present them with a short presentation about bike polo (which I can send to you to modify), and refer to the 'new' "Vancouver Model" (geeky planner speak for all you architecture and planning types out there who will get the reference).

I have updated the discussion about our purpose-built polo court here:
http://leagueofbikepolo.com/forum/courts/2010/01/05/first-polo-specific-...
There is also a link to additional photos of the court's progression there.

I also think that we, as a somewhat organized group, should commission someone(?) to study the affects of bikes and mallets on tennis court surfaces to debunk that whole argument on the parks side of things. Sure skid marks can be unsightly, but that's an aesthetic concern. I have not witnessed any damage to any court I have played on. In fact, we squeegee water off the courts, thereby helping to maintain them by preventing water seeping into cracks, freezing and destroying the surface. sigh.

I have also dealt with the "booking" argument, liability insurance, equal access to recreation space, etc. I can help you make your argument and would be happy to do so.

Thanks, I would be interested in your help. We are also working on connections with a nonprofit group called the Downtown Alliance that might help us in our fight.

you betta bring the Heat!
Chuck

We run into the same problems with the parks and rec here in Portland, Daniels suggestions above tempered with lisa's seem to be the best of most suggestions. get together with the neighbors and start a friends of pioneer park coalition or group or whatever moniker seems regionally appropriate for Utah politics. play polo, clean up the court and the park, be friendly to neighbors and others who use the tennis court, and eventually the city will let you have it, it happened in Portland already and now we're going for court #2. Good Luck!

Yo Dawg I heard you like redundancies so we got a PIN number for your PIN

Hey already posted elsewhere but I wrote this submission last night to the City. (Another player submitted it because I also work for the city) Check it out and if you want to copy any of it, feel free. I think it makes the case well.

http://www.bikepolo.com.au/2011/07/kensington-bike-polo-court-in-2030/

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