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MRKO
Break'in spokes & bones
Do these things exist yet: 48h, 135mm flip/flop hub & machined-sidewall 48h Chukkers
Cause I would really love to stop buying shitty wheels and get myself some nice, long-lasting ones. I've been searching, but I can't seem to find either of these things. I assume the MSW Chukkers just have to propagate out to distributors and such, but does anybody have a line on hubs?
48 hole
135mm spacing (rear)
flip/flop, fixed/free
you can usually get spacers to fill in the gaps to make a 120mm hub fit 135mm frames. Even if the axles are still too short, you can find replacement axles that are longer. I know this is the case with Formula / IRO hubs and possibly even the Milwaukee hubs.
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Word...is that legit? As in, strong? I would be worried about bending axles or something. I may go for that though, definitely seems like the cheapest solution.
Jesse
Collar City Bike Polo
Troy, NY
Also, chainline?
Jesse
Collar City Bike Polo
Troy, NY
Also, chainline?
You don't need to worry about strength as long as you have a solid axle. I don't have any experience with hollow axles, so I can't say for sure about their strength. You may run into issues with chainline, but that can also usually be remedied with spacers.
here's my situation: My polo bike is a Surly 1x1, with 135mm rear spacing. The dropouts are also extra thick. I built up a rear wheel using a 26" Velocity Cliffhanger laced to a Formula track hub (standard 120mm track spacing) with extra spacers on each side to bring it out to 135mm. This was all fine and good until I tried tightening the track nuts onto the axle... the axle was too short on each end and I was barely getting 2 turns of the track nut.
After a bit of searching, I found a replacement axle for Formula hubs on Harris Cyclery's website. This 175mm axle replaced the standard 145mm axle and gave me enough room to tighten the track nuts fully.
However, now I had an issue with chainline because my freewheel needed to move out away from the hub. So, I simply took the widest bottom bracket lockring I could find (about 4mm thick) and threaded it between the hub body and the freewheel.
Now I have a perfect chainline, and a strong rear wheel that fits my oddball Surly perfectly... it just took a bit of work to get there.
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I just set up a 1x1, I looked around for a 48h 135mm hub btu to no avail. went with 36h 135mm surly hub. The chainline was great straight away with 113mm bottom bracket and some old shimano 110bcd road cranks. Super like it as a polo bike so far. I can see how a 120mm hub could be tricky coz my chainring (36tooth) only just clears the frame, with a 120mm hub I think I would have had to space out the freewheel a fair ways.
Chi 07-08
Paris 08-Whoa
i think you can buy the spacers on there own
just buy some surly 1x1 and drill them out yourselves.
just buy some surly 1x1 and drill them out yourselves.
wait really, if I have a 36h hub I can drill some holes to make it 48h? That would
seem a bit asymmetric. Does it work?
Chi 07-08
Paris 08-Whoa
I casually tossed the out a similar question to my bike shop guy (who plays good polo) and his response was "custom can do will do let me know and we'll make it happen." If I was to go this far I'd go with Phil or White Ind base hub.
What else do you need a paycheck for?
P.S. I'm getting ready to rebuild an Eno for the first time. Already have a (borrowed) freewheel tool, need to get the little custom piece that helps pound the axle out. It all looks pretty straightforward but you never know until you break something. I'm thinking about building a 'spare' rear wheel so that I don't have to be without a polo bike.
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your photo looks stupid and your ugly, and you look like an idiot, people dont listen to this shithead meathead.
I bought a cheap Bulletproof hub that is built for BMX. I spaced it out to 130 or 135? Don't know what exactly. You can get BMX hubs in 48 for super cheap. The axel that came on this was slotted and super long. Fit perfectly in my dropouts.
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Flip/flop? And where did you get it? Web search reveals nothing...
Jesse
Collar City Bike Polo
Troy, NY
Nice one, found what you're talking about on Amazon: 48h flip/flop BMX hub, $60 plus S&H.
Only problem is, I can't tell if it's fixed/free - my guess is free/free. Gonna try to get in touch with them and find out...
Jesse
Collar City Bike Polo
Troy, NY
Sorry I didn't see your question until now. I'm 99.9% sure its free free. Its a BMX hub and I have two freewheels installed on it. Bulletproof is the brand.
/edit also one side is English and one is standard. Or whatever the two sizes are. If you want anything small than 15 on one side it has to be a smaller size because otherwise the freewheel bearings wouldn't fit in the casing. Can anyone translate what I just farted onto the keyboard?
Seems to me like a good opportunity for Formula to go ahead and corner the market on this... their hubs already have a pretty good reputation among the fixed gear / polo / single speed set as being inexpensive, fairly good quality, and decent looks. And there are replacement Formula axles out there that are easily swapped out in case you need something to fit 135mm (this was the case on my Surly 1x1). All they need to do is make some drilled out for 48 hole, keep them in good supply and they'd have a new niche.
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If yer just going to use a longer axle and spacers on a 120mm hub, Steelwool and Milwaukee Bike Company already have some drilled out to 48 holes. No need to drill into a Surly or anything else.
If you really want a 135mm spaced 48 hole hub, White industries will do the custom drilling. Ask your local bike shop to contact them.
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I'm aware of the hubs by MKE and Steelwool, but they are hardly ever available... at least all the times I've been looking and seriously considering a purchase. I'm wondering if they are just being produced in such small quantities at this point and are being snatched up as soon as they are available? The Steelwool set seems expensive to me, compared to the MKE hubs.
My point was that hopefully soon another hub manufacturer will begin marketing a 48 hole hubset to the polo crowd, comparable to the price and quality of the MKE set... so more folks will have more readily available options.
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Yeah, I was ready to snatch up the $400 CAD steelwool wheelsets except hey! i want to focus on my 26" and hey! i want freewheel too.
BB pretty much named my (the) ideal polo wheelset of the Right Now in the title there. Definitely also want.
I have a 48h 135mm Phil wood free I can
let go cheap
so that solves the hub portion of the show, now how about the hoop portion of the show? I sent email to velocity back in June, they replied that they'd be getting some in mid July ...
WANT 48h MACHINED 26" for my pretty pony!
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Yeah, just sent Velocity an e-mail too - I'm looking for 48h machined 700c. Also getting a quote from my LBS for a custom drilled Phil Wood or White Industries hub, just to see. I will still probly go with something cheaper & smaller (130mm-ish), then space it out...unless I get a raise.
Jesse
Collar City Bike Polo
Troy, NY
Jesse -
I just got a Chukkar/B43 combo built up withe my MKE hubs (ruined two sets of MKE/Deep-V wheels within a month of NYC/MAD/MKE gameplay). I was really skeptical about the lack of a machined braking surface, but I've noticed zero difference without it - weird, but true. The rims I have are anodized, I think (definitely not a painted surface), which is working just fine, no loss of brake grabby-ness.
Hmmmm I am intrigued. Good to know, thanks Johnny!
At this point though, I may just go for the burliest rims ever - Kris Holm unicycle rims - recommended to me by Mike Curiak of lacemine29.com. Road bikers need not apply, those things are 38mm wide!
Jesse
Collar City Bike Polo
Troy, NY
Interesting Johnny. I have a set of unmachined Chukkars that I will be lacing to MKE hubs as well. I was a bit nervous but DB assured me the braking would not compromised much. Can't wait now!
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I got velocity to custom drill me a 48h MSW aeroheat back in May. It took about 3 weeks from order to delivery. Laced it to a lovely old Suzue high flange front hub. At the back I run a matching aeroheat in 36h laced to a formula cassette hub running 2 cogs. Dream rear hub = Hope Pro II singlespeed (but only avail in 32h & 36h), not crazy expensive like a Hadley. If I wasn't addicted to my dingle-speed setup I'd prob run a 48h BMX hub. I think 48 front, 36 rear makes some sense as the front wheel takes the most damage.
Aeroheat over MTB Deep-V/Chukker: Heavy rims will just slow down yr acceleration and rims don't really need to be super heavy with all those spokes supporting them.
Aeroheat over MTB Deep-V/Chukker: Heavy rims will just slow down yr acceleration and rims don't really need to be super heavy with all those spokes supporting them.
That is interesting...the first bit seems logical enough, but don't higher spoke counts = more stress points on the rim?
Jesse
Collar City Bike Polo
Troy, NY
as in more stress raisers? Yes, but counter to that, the spoke tension isn't going to vary as much per revolution, so you end up with less chance of fatigue failure in both spoke and rim. I'm not really interested in the fatigue life of a polo wheel though. prob not expecting to get 3x10^6 revolutions from it :P The main way they get fuct is from impact, mostly on the spokes and sometimes on the rim. more spokes lets the impact be spread over as many load paths as possible... then you need a reasonably stiff rim to resist, i think aeroheat's a reasonable compromise strength v light.
FYI.
630 grams = El Gordo
600 grams = Chukkar
580 grams = Cliffhanger
I really like my El Gordo. How much are Chukkars retail?
Are you serious? I don't understand how Ksyrium SL would stand up to even a day of polo. Is there no bike-to-bike contact where you play?
Jesse
Collar City Bike Polo
Troy, NY
Fuckin wild. I don't think I can summon that level of polo mojo yet.
Jesse
Collar City Bike Polo
Troy, NY
High flange hub + 36 spokes + four cross lacing W/ double butted spokes onto good rim = long lasting wheel with plenty of impact resistance. Everybody, the surly 1*1 is the best, I have one for my polo bike. One by One revolution! Woot!
Skid & Destroy
Axles of Evil
x2. I just built up a V.Chukker 26" 36-hole 3 cross lace, black black and black. Minor downside of chukker compared to gordo:
- more challenging build. Lost count of the number of nipples dropped loose inside rim walls where I have to stop and shake shake shake to get it out.
- 26" long stem tubes
The 1x1 is da tank. Makes you fearless. I admit spending plenty of time thinking about my next polo bike though. Not a 1x1, different geometry. Upright. Allows me to shoot from 360 degrees. Levitates via jump boosters. Still trying to figure out how to design the pop-out spinning saw blades.
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Skid & Destroy
Axles of Evil
Here's what I ended up ordering from Mike at lacemine29.com - just waiting on the entire bicycle universe to get back from Vegas.
Dig:
The rear wheel is a White Industries Standard ENO hub - 135mm, fixed/free, 36h, black anodized - laced to a Kris Holm 29er rim. According to Mike, it's the burliest 700c rim EVAR. Front wheel is some White Industries hub to match the rear, same rim.
Fucking AMPED! Just don't ask what this is costing me. Pics when I get 'em. Mike has been super helpful and awesome through this whole process!
Jesse
Collar City Bike Polo
Troy, NY
Kris Holm: Just another reason Vancouver is crazy.
I could support him, though- mind dishing on what the rim cost?
Can't wait for those pics. Those wheels are gonna be tanks.
Kris Holm: Just another reason Vancouver is crazy.
I could support him, though- mind dishing on what the rim cost?
I'm not actually sure yet how much the rims are - Mike gave me a quote for the wheelset total. bedfordunicycles.ca lists them for $50 CDN which is about $46 USD...then again unicycle.com has them for $80 USD. Dunno.
Can't wait for those pics. Those wheels are gonna be tanks.
Fuck yeah! That's the idea...
Jesse
Collar City Bike Polo
Troy, NY
Updated pics of the new setup: http://www.bikepolo.ca/bike/jfrench/se-stout
The wheels feel super burly & I think they are actually lighter than the stock set I had before! Haven't tried out the fixed side yet, need a half-link to make the flip/flop work out nice. I am really digging these + new brake. Woo!
Jesse
Collar City Bike Polo
Troy, NY
I just built up a 48h 135mm fixed-fixed surly hub to a 48h salsa gordo rim
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i hope someone responds because i can't find 48 hole 135mm either...sucks. i can find 36 hole in phil wood kiss off and white industries eno but no 48...what about milwaukee, steelwool or profile doing a 48 hole 135mm?
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