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Polo Specific Helmets?

Polo Specific Helmets?
Polo Specific Helmets?

I did a search but I didn't find any discussion on modified polo helmets. I just crafted this up this afternoon. It's a slightly modified Itech RBE 3 on a Bern helmet. There is no hardware used. I just used the existing snaps on the Bern that holds the padding in place. I cut and bent the cage (and a little of the foam inside the helmet) until I could stick cage underneath and snap it all together.

I know some others have done something similar. Let's see how you protect yourself from busted teeth and black eyes.

I made this one. I thought it wouldn't effect my vision but I can't stand the face mask and never use this helmet.

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what sport is that faceguard from? looks like Easton?

Correct. Softball, flipped upside down. The thought was that there wasn't very many bars, but you still can't fit a mallet or ball in between them.

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i like this one.

personally i don't like the idea that as polo becomes more competitive, we are going to need to protect ourselves more. accidents DO happen, but i think a bit of respect and gentlemanly conduct goes a lot further than a face mask.

Being a gentleman ain't gonna fix my busted face.

Personally I like that polo is becoming more competitive. It's a sport played with sticks. Look at any other sport played with a stick (golf I guess is an exception) and people will be wearing a face guard. I agree that respect and gentlemanly conduct do go a long way but you're not always playing against that kind of person.

Like you say. Accidents DO happen. Preventing those accidents is also a possibility. Making a helmet with a cage is just an experiment. I've been seeing some close calls lately and I'd hate for me, or another player, to have an incident that causes permanent (or even temporary) damages.

Tommy Green is a gentleman but i rode my face into his mallet head two weeks ago and i think some cartilage in my nose has been set free.

steffen from karlsruhe just got that much uglier with a bunch of stitches the other day from a mallet.

Yeah Scott got a hit in the face this weekend and there has been some close calls with some newbies and shred on the court. I'm thinking about getting a cage soon. So the bern helmets have snaps that hold the pads in? I guess new helmet time for me.

thats a nice one hurricane... where can i find?


now that's a polo helmet!

but I think this one's got YOUR name all over it, Pistolero:

mask darth

seen this?

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Or dis?

http://urbanvelo.org/bern-watts-polo-mod/

no goal

Mr. Do at work with his Bern mod. Click through to see full size.

At first I thought, wow what a horrible one-timer. Then I remembered that the ball was coming towards me & I'm getting ready to backhand it!

And this is what I use.

New Bike Polo Helmet

I'd probably rather have a modded Bern, but I found one of these new for about half of the cost of a Bern so I went with this.

I'm all for being a gentleman on the court but when I saw Tucker loose some teef at COG it gave me pause. Not to mention the fact that one of the best players in the world was the person doing the dental work and not some sloppy hacky rookie.

Another option for eye and tooth protection are mouthguards, either the boil & fit or custom fit, plus safety glasses. Less protection than the full cage, but something to consider if having bars in front of your face bothers you.

Are you calling me dangerous Neil?

I like the look of some of the Lacrosse gear http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/lacrossemonkey_2100_8352870 Haven't tried any of it out yet, but it looks pretty good. Almost all of their gear lends itself to polo pretty well actually (I wear Lacrosse gloves)

http://www.buy6pks.com/e_helmet_with_emask_face_guard.htm

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ENGLISH-CIVIL-WAR-LOBSTER-POT-FACE-GUARD-HELMET-ST...

"can't score a goal on someone while doin a fuckin keo-spin"

The emask helmet would be hot as fuck.

After trying out my original modification I don't think I'll like it. Once I fit the chin padding in it creates to much pressure on the chin and forces the whole helmet back on my head. I don't really like the idea of wearing it without padding either. Jury rigging masks seems sort of hit and miss so I think I'm going to lean towards a "pre-fab" helmet.

Doing some research I think a regular hockey helmet with a lacrosse cage seems like the best idea for me. A box lacrosse set up. The field lacrosse helmets look a little silly with the visor and all that. Seems like too much.

Edit:

This field lacrosse helmet doesn't look all that bad though:

http://gaitlacrosse.com/products/helmets/flow.php

You know who the Gaits are, right? Legendary Victorians. I saw them play together on the Shamrocks- I don't really follow lacrosse but these guys were pretty unbelievable.
That said, yes I agree, a decent lacrosse helmet or Bern stepping up and making us a test run would be pretty rad.

I too have a nice crescent-shaped ding on the underside of my Bern visor from... none other than Mr. Gentleman James. I could be joining Shannon in the stitches club.

it's not that exclusive emerson, james has pretty much banged everyone in east van by now.

where's the 'like' button kev?

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Dingo, cover your gentle eyes, Mr. Piet is saying things that have secondary, "secret" meanings aaand... we'll talk about it when you're older.

don't worry piet, i'll bang you someday too.

When are people going to realize that I've already found the perfect helmet for bike polo?

Eye and nose protection, nice padding. Okay, it is a bit spendy... but worth it.

I like your polo.

siiiiick

"can't score a goal on someone while doin a fuckin keo-spin"

I rue the day that it becomes necessary to wear face protection for polo and i have the scars to prove it.

Yo Dawg I heard you like redundancies so we got a PIN number for your PIN

Has anyone contacted Bern to ask if they would be interested in designing a polo-specific helmet? I have been construcing an email to send out to them to see what they have to say.

Is Bern the company we would like to see make one?

yes to bern

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I agree.

What are some features / design ideas that people would like in a polo-specific helmet?

Personally, my ideal helmet would be a Watts with the addition of quick mounting features for a hocky shield or cage. That way I can wear my helmet to ride / commute and then attach the shield or cage to play polo.

The "design" I used for my helmet could work very well if the cage is actually designed around the helmet. Something that fits the profile of the brim on the Watts with a quick-release mounting system. That thing on the back that is used for goggles or whatever could be used for attaching a chin-strap. The furthest back snaps on the inside of the helmet could also be used to attach the chin strap but I don't think it would be quick enough. I think it would be a little tougher fiddling with those snaps to secure or unsecure the cage.

I think a cage with less wire than a hockey cage would be ideal. Just enough to keep a wayward mallet out. We don't have to worry about a thin puck sliding into the cage so all that metal could be reduced for better visibility.

Check out the site lines on this. I'm going to try one out.

http://cooper.ie/images/bluehelmetsidenew.jpg

The cages on those hurling helmets are pretty much ideal I think. I'll be sure to give it a good test with a wild backhand when you get it, Rory.

everyone looks a little "special" when wearing one though...

you look special...nice ball joint.

i know- busted by the polo papparazzi!

p.s. i am special

see what i mean about those helmets looking funny?

HurricaneJosh wrote:

see what i mean about those helmets looking funny?

yeah, he'd look alot better with a face guard.

!?!

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60 bucks for a roller hockey helmet that looks a little better ventilated than the Bern or the ice hockey lids I've seen. Visor or grill available.

Wanna buy some polo stuff?
http://www.fixcraft.net/stcago

I actually really like that helmet...and looks pretty good for polo.

My only concern is that I would rather not carry an extra helmet specifically for polo...it would just be nice to be able to wear my Bern all the time and then just attach a shield for polo, but that's just me.

I would probably buy that hockey helmet if it was $30

I went and tried on some entry level hockey helmets the other day and they weren't too comfortable. You might be able to find something used okay for $30 but if you're going to make this your main helmet you should spend a little extra and get something nice.

I sent an email to Bern last week. No reply from them yet but I'm still waiting. Does anyone "know someone" at Bern or have a better contact email than their "connect@bern" address?

Anyway, here's a copy of the email I sent:

http://sdbikepolo.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/email-to-bern.png

I started playing in an old dirtbike helmet. Mainly because I wanted to use it for something and this seemed like the best thing. I have been catching some cricket games on directv lately..thinking one of those helmets would not be bad.

Bike Judge

Pedal Republik of Cleveland

an Adidas Triple Stripe Baseball face mask ($12 at Dick's Sporting Goods) on a Bern

Hey Fatty,

How are the sight lines through that cage? It's hard to tell from a side view but it almost seems like you are looking straight through the structural part of the cage rather than through the open portion. Is that the case or can you see pretty well with it?

Fatty's looks really nice in person.

I would think that roller/ice hockey will provide you with cages and whatnot for the face. A lot of it is metal so you can always manipulate it to fit.

Product Designer for hire, freelance, PT,FT

After sending emails to a few different contacts at Bern, I finally received a response. It wasn't much, but at least someone is taking the time to read it:

HI Josh,

Can you have a look at this and how it might tie in with our polo sponsorships in the past...

Best Regards,

Gary Sukovaty
Bern Unlimited, Inc.
European Sales
www.bernunlimited.com

I got an email this morning from Josh at Bern and here it is:

Hey guys,

Chris, thanks for your stoke on bern. We really appreciate the community we have been able to work with in bike, and we are stoked to give back (pro model for Squid bolger, 7% going to a messenger fund) and supporting as many events and festivals as we can.

Do you currently have any mock ups, or ideas of existing pieces we could add onto out helmet? Right now we are not in a position to develop product for bike polo, we are still a small brand, but we are open in working together to give guys an viable option, let me know your thoughts we will always work hard to support the segment of bike and our partners.

Thanks man.

Josh Walker
Marketing/Team Manager
bernunlimited.com
myspace.com/bernheadprotection

Bern Unlimited Inc.
PO Box 1284
Duxbury, MA 02331

I personally think that it's fairly encouraging. I was hoping that they would be more in a place to develop a polo helmet, but eh I guess that was asking for a lot.

Anyway, now...I'm going to take some of the ideas that you guys have already posted on here along with a few of my own ideas and do some CAD models to send over to Bern to see what they think. Maybe they would be willing to produce some sort of add-ons for their pre-existing helmet designs.

If anyone else has ideas, post them up or forward them to me...in a description, photos, drawings, etc. Or, if you would rather send them straight to Bern, let me know and I can get you the contact info.

Rad! yah when I was talking with there reps I was asking if they had any plans on doing a polo helmet as well. They sound like a few people have asked and here is a possibility.

I need a sugar momma so I can work less and play polo more!!

Fuck I have to stop double clicking!!

I need a sugar momma so I can work less and play polo more!!

well done, hillbilly. stress the idea that we don't need them to make a new helmet, just something to attach to their existing models. fatty's helmet looks awesome. maybe they could make a kit that includes snaps that a grill could snap on and off. i'd guess that 99% of polo players are good with their hands and wouldn't mind a retrofit.

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gameface mask and
rip it face mask

I was looking for a cage like fatty´s and found this. What do you think? i might give it a try. This could have prevented the 3 stitches that i have now just above my upper lip.
I like the fact that it can be used with or without helmet.

It'll take some getting used to. To be honest I took it off after a couple of games because I didn't want to spend that day getting used to it. Talking to other guys, it'll dissapear in your field of view. Because of the design, you can bend the mask down a bit to protect your grill, but that'll open up a space big enough to get a mallet in the eye with a perfect shot.

On the getting used to it: I wear the full CCM cage posted above with the urbanvelo tag on it and it completely disappeared from my field of view after a few games. I rattlecanned the cage flat black to cut down on reflections, and to better match the dark colored courts we play on. It can be distracting at first, but I didn't find it took more than two or three nights of play before I didn't realize it's even there, besides when someone dings it with their mallet.

Good to know.

I haven't had much free time lately but when I have a few sketches of adaptive hardware that might help attache the different styles of masks and shields shown in this thread. After I have time to model them up I'll post the concepts up on here when I email them to Bern.

Anybody own the Bern G2? Wondering if the giant vents are worth it.

Sveden wrote:

Anybody own the Bern G2? Wondering if the giant vents are worth it.

Only if you need to RAGE on the court. the giant vents will help cool that RAGE. be cool my baby, be cool.

I personally use an equestrian helmet, it helps me look classy, gentlemanly, and keeps me safe. true story. Plus, it was made for horse polo, how (edit)awesome is that.

(edit) clearly not ironic I was high as a kite this morning what's your excuse

I think it rates at about 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife level of ironicitude, as in not ironic at all.

I think this needs to be documented in the bike polo history thread...

- 9/7/2010 First instance of Alanis Morissette being quoted on LOBP.com, worst day in bike polo to date.

Paragraph 10, line 2 of the "things not to say on LOBP" clearly states:

"Invocation of Ms. Morissette's music may be used ONLY to highlight or demean users who improperly use the term ironic"

now I can say I was involved with this piece of history and morissette and myself will come in the same sentence in LOBP history.

excuse me while I puke in my mouth

Anyone ever put screws into a Zip-Mold Bern model?

Most of the helmet's I've seen modded are the Hard Hat type of helmet.

Schultz has, and from the way I heard him talk about it, it was awesome, and he wouldn't recommend it to anyone.
Apparently it was great for comfort and for looking through and for coverage but the zip mold stuff just wont hold a screw well, so you're just risking it falling off with loose screws and a ruined bern at any moment.

http://vimeo.com/15246791
Kayak polo, look at those helmets, anyone know where I can get one of those?
They look fucking polo-awesome as hell.

You'll see. Unless you drilled out your eyes because they were too heavy.

holy hooters batman... i dunno about kayak polo. eesh. looks like a feeding frenzy.

give blood. play polo.

http://www.canoesandkayaks.co.uk/category/163/Helmets_and_Faceguards

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Kayak polo- somehow it makes me feel worse about the world.
But remember the days before regimented tournaments and double elimination and rented pools and Leagueofkayakpolo.com when they held Kayak Worlds in an elevated pool made from haybales and blue tarps and a garden hose? Those were the formative years- now Necky is in on the branding and Red Bull wants a piece of that sweet Kayak Polo dollar...

On another barely thread-related note the Gait helmet (props for "aggressive styling" and likely, comfort) has this grand piece of Freudian marketing going for it:
"Side and rear adjustment allows for a one size fist all helmet"
Lacrosse for the LGBT community! Finally.

On another tack does anyone find Bern helmets are impossible to make comfortable? I have the Watts, I have a large-ish shaved head, and I think the Watts XL is like the least comfortable thing of all time. I have taken it to the shop and ground, dremel-ed, drill pressed, and sanded the foam (yes it's not Under Warranty anymore, but maybe I'll wear it now) and after several versions of this it finally kinda fits.
At least hockey and lacrosse equipment is made for big bros with big ol heads, that's a plus.

Yeah, I feel you. I've got a Macon XL and it's pretty uncomfortable even after surgerizing it like you have. My problem is I've got an Anatolian bump so it's almost impossible to get a bicycle based helmet that fits right. Never had a problem with football or lacrosse or motorcycles, though.

Cascade Kayak helmet with Wire face mask $28
http://www.hikestop.com/cascade_helmets_wire_face_mask-450110.php

$28 is just for the mask. in the description: "Helmet sold separately."

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That mask is way too open for polo too, that thing is meant to stop the flat side of a paddle, not a mallet head.

You'll see. Unless you drilled out your eyes because they were too heavy.

agata from europe had an awesome cycling helmet in vancouver. it was made in france and had an adjustable clear plastic visor (it could be lifted from in front of her face) that seemed like it covered most of the face, except for maybe the chin. does anyone have any info on it?

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Company is French and are called Ekoi. Still trying to figure out a) how to speak French and b) how to get this sent to Canada. Here's the site: http://www.ekoi.fr/116-casque-urbain-city.html

Okay catfish, I'm going to move my mouth like this...

just ordered one. 75 euros including shipping to canada. my fiancee speaks french. yay!

Okay catfish, I'm going to move my mouth like this...

Congrats Martin!

Unsolicited acknowledgement: Married life is really good - especially when she is so cool she's cool with polo. I'm going to try for one of these helmets too ...

je suis le gran bufon,

Devin
ps je ne parle pas le Francais.
pps when you took up that collection in LA to help people pay their open container tickets, I wish I had thrown in. Strong work. I won't miss that chance again.

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So after messing around with some Bern modifications, using a Gait Lacrosse helmet I decided to go with the purpose-built and existing option. More comfortable than my Bern (and just as comfortable as my high-end helmets) and with face-protection options that aren't a project to install. I should have just gone this route earlier.

It's pretty damn Canadian too. Should have gone with CCM though.

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What about this one: http://www.spiegel.de/video/video-1092056.html

Yes!!!

What about cricket helmets? Is the gap around the eyes too big?


Gap should be about right. However, given that polo balls most likely have more "give" than a cricket ball I wouldn't bet my eyes on an orange bullet not squeezing through. For the uninitiated, the little guy above is the world's greatest living batsman: Sachin Tendulkar.

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Fox Flux + Cricket Helmet Cage.

Definitely more breathable than the bern mods which is useful when playing on 35+ degree afternoons.

Gap around the eyes is a tad large, a mallet can certainly fit in, but it'd have to be at just the right angle to do so. Gap at the bottom is a bit large as well, so my chin is still somewhat vulnerable but this hole needs to be there so i can get the helmet on. I can't feel any added weight when wearing it, and it doesn't affect my vision at all.

$40 for the cricket helmet (couldn't buy just the cage), and 4 cable ties to attach it.

Nice set up! The only draw back is one head impact and that helmet is done.

A guy here tried a cricket helmet.. the peak of the hat obscured vision too much though. The cage from one might be good attached to a Bern

$44 - CCM V-04 Hockey Helmet
http://www.hockeymonkey.com/ccm-hockey-helmet-vector-v04-combo.html?gree...

Or spend more for an adjustable and (much) more comfortable helmet: CCM V08

http://www.hockeymonkey.com/ccm-hockey-helmet-vector-v08-combo.html - $83

I don't see the point of jerry rigging a bern with a cage when the cage alone costs about $30. You only have to wear the damn thing for twenty minutes at a time and if you don't want to carry a second helmet on your way to polo, then clearly you aren't taking it seriously enough ;)

NYC Newbie

Mike Knuble broke his jaw a week and a half ago and came back wearing this Bauer helmet attachment. I've never seen it offered for sale anywhere, but thought it was interesting.

Is that jaw only with no face protection? why not just go for a (clear) full face mask?

http://www.hockeymonkey.com/nbh-shieldscages.html

I just picked up a Bauer Visor and modified my Bern helmet and I think it worked out nicely. Good bye mallets in the face!!

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I need a sugar momma so I can work less and play polo more!!

After seeing the ones on here i decided to make my own. The only issue was getting the mask to sit right on the helmet so i said fuck it.

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"You're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't" Bart Simpson

You cant tell from these pics but the mask is ziptied on the sides (you can see the yellow by the cat) and the three Adel clamps it came with i put in the middle of the helmet. Shitty but it works

"You're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't" Bart Simpson

Thats all you can ask for!

I need a sugar momma so I can work less and play polo more!!

I just started playing with a hockey mask strapped to my giro helmet. I cut out a rectangle in front of my eyes, which makes it much easier to see stuff.

this rectangle sounds interesting, can you also insert food?

Maxxx wrote:

this rectangle sounds interesting, can you also insert food?

only stuff like bananas and beers bottles neck :)

Safe

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So awesome.

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'Tis only a flesh wound.

Here's my Watts mod. Just drilled holes and zip ties to hold it together.
http://flic.kr/p/7BVrJx
The Bern Watts makes a great helmet for modification due to the built-in brim and the ability to drill holes and attach other fasteners to it. Baseball batting helmet cages seem to work especially well... for example, Fatty's helmet above is pretty fucking rad. Mine is also a baseball face cage. I found a 'youth' one, since my helmet is a size small.

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"are you alright?" Smack the ball "YES!"
hahahaha

"You're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't" Bart Simpson

Yup that makes me happy that I have a solid and well attached visor for sure. As much fun as spitting blood for 2 days is I don't ever want that feeling again!!

I need a sugar momma so I can work less and play polo more!!

I tried my hand at making my own today. I'm picking up a Bern in a few weeks, so I used my old "Pryme" helmet and a hockey cage. The cage was $25 and it came with all the hardware you needed, save for six small washers. Canadians, you can pick the helmet up for $27 at MEC.

Pictures:
I'm trying to give a "badass" look here, it turned into "scared little girl". Yes my bathroom is that disgusting

The cage just kind of "tucks in" to a gap in the foam where the helmet straps attach, it all worked quite nicely.

This is how the front/top attaches. I used a drill to drill through the outer shell, then a screwdriver to widen up the gap for the foam. The helmet foam just pops back on to cover these holes. Don't think it lost any structure integrity either...

I had to add the snap buttons for the cage straps, because my foam didn't have the button snaps like the Bern's do. These come with the cage, I had to add a couple washers to get it to fit.

great mod, thanks for posting the photos.

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Nice shirt, how is the visibility?

Visibility is great, but I'm used to wearing cages in other sports too I guess. I never really noticed myself getting annoyed by the visibility, but if necessary you could always cut away a few of the bars too.

To the people wearing half visors. How do you find the vision? Ive been trying to get into wearing one but i keep finding myself ditching it after a game or two and getting frustrated that im always looking exactly where the visor ends and it screws with my vision.

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2011 Australian Champions

it's likely to get scratched a lot faster playing polo than on a hockey rink. it's also hot. i don't think visors are really great for polo

I have been rocking a cricket helmet I got from here http://www.dreamcricket.com/dreamcricket/pavilion/shopexd.asp?id=894&cid=10&tname=Protection&tid=19

The face guard is out of view, but not enough room for a ball to get through

Just made this yesterday. I've been riding with a construction helmet for a while. I don't harbor any delusions that it's the most protective thing ever, but the tightening knob on the back can really make the thing hug my head, in lieu of a strap. Found an ITECH RBE III guard and slapped it on. Check it out. It's extremely light compared to hockey and lacrosse helmets with face guards. Only weak spot is the knob on the back and whiplash back-of-head landings or shots. Visibility is good, though I'll probably start removing some of the wire soon.

I don't recommend you show up to the job site with that.

This has been in the process from Fixcraft for a while and looks like it's soon to be released for sale. I'm surprised no one else has posted this up yet.. Looks pretty sweet. I think they'll be selling it with the helmet or just as a face cage and mounting hardware if you alreadyu have a Bern Watts.

http://www.fixcraft.net/?page_id=116

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Well, if you buy the "face mask only" part, don't pay more than $14.99. That's how much a softball faceguard is brand new, and it will basically slap on to my Bern Watts and looks like exactly what's above. Super dorky helmet strap and mounting hardware included. Too bad my Watts is still uncomfortable.

http://www.shoprawlings.com/baseball-softball-instruction/helmet-facemas...

Our guy Nick just picked one up, I think at South Central. Seemed to play well with it on Sunday; twas the inspiration for my jury-rig ...... .. .. ..

Helmets are available for order now...
http://fixcraft.tumblr.com/post/5814229591/the-bern-watts-helmet-with-fa...

"wear a face mask or duck" - Tall George
stick 2 da code, stop snitchin'
http://www.scarylarrykbp.org/
http://www.fixcraft.net/
http://321polo.net/

Can we start calling this the Bernadette Watts?

You'll see. Unless you drilled out your eyes because they were too heavy.

YUP! call it what you want as long as you " do it like bernie"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRBLmogRL4c

Please watch at least 30 sec.!!

"wear a face mask or duck" - Tall George
stick 2 da code, stop snitchin'
http://www.scarylarrykbp.org/
http://www.fixcraft.net/
http://321polo.net/

I just got my mouth slapped by mallet, I wanna buy the fixcraft cage+watts.
If someone owns this please tell me how do you like it? does it tilt the helmet forward? Vision?

Just got mine out on the court for the first time yesterday, make sure it's your size, a little on the tight side.
It doesn't really slide forward much, just a lot of weight to be wiggling around on your neck if it's not a good snug fit.
I really like it, it's not as hot as my other bern, which is a zip mold, but I do sweat a lot and it's hard to do anything about sweat in your eyes mid game when you have a cage in the way.
I do really like it, but I wish it had bigger vents, and didn't have that visor, though I don't think that'll prove to be a big issue, certainly didn't yesterday.

You'll see. Unless you drilled out your eyes because they were too heavy.

I've got the Watts, and after a recent smack in the face with the business end of a mallet I ordered the face guard. I like the helmet, it fits well after I added some pads to the inside on the sides (I guess I have a narrow head). Have not installed the face guard yet, but it looks pretty solid. Will report back with a review once I get it.

Question: think you can find it this helmet (bern) or only the face cage at the courts in Seattle's whbpc?

fixcraft has the watts with mask on sale through for $50 total, use the coupon code HEADACHE. I ordered one, haven't gotten it in yet so I can't comment on fit or the like.

tnx but i want try size before order.

What are the disadvantages of just using a regular hockey mask?

Just because I have a beard does not mean that I do not crush a lot.