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Fixed Gear Only Polo?

Christmas Greetings Polo Freaks!!!

I've been traveling around playing polo in a bunch of European cities this year. Generally speaking, the rules were pretty similar everywhere I went.

But when I got here to Melbourne, Australia I saw something quite novel.

There has been bike polo going on here for a couple years (I think!), and I've been playing a couple times a week with a great crew of polo peeps. Lots of freewheels on the court, but there are certainly a few fixies too.

Two or three weeks ago, I read on the Melbourne Fixie forum (fixed.org.au) that a new polo meeting was gonna happen. They're calling it "fixed only" polo, and apparently freewheels are discouraged.

Is there "fixed" only polo in other cities? I always thought the type of bike you ride come down to preference, but here it seems it's something a of a pre-requisite for playing.

Check out the blog here:
http://melbournefixedgearpolo.blogspot.com/

I think that Damon needs to speak up on this!

I've heard rumor of messengers starting groups like this but then when I ask specific questions to people from the city they say it isn't true. I know some cities start multiple polo scenes at once, I think both LA and Seattle have had divided players in their history and portland state has a seperate group from the axles of evil but I've never head of discriminating against bike make up.
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Marco!
I am the Duck.

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West and East squash the beef
That shit 's legit as fuck!

Don't get too distratcetd by the fixed v free issue, (which belongs here: http://www.leagueofbikepolo.com/forum/stuff-that-breaks/2008/06/27/fixed...), It isn't really the point in this case.

Perhaps this thread chould have started out as "separate crew/same city or rules to exclude equipment/people"

Anthony has highlighted a new situation, We're keen to hear if and how this has happened in other cities. I'm getting the idea that it hasn't.

My 2c. The fixed gear community in Melbourne is now quite strong and organises lots of events, but it's quite separate from the Polo community. Now, after the nationals were hosted here, some of them want to play polo. So they are starting a separate crew. On the same day at the other end of town.

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are they trying to be competitive? as in win tournaments? or just have fun in their homogeneous group?

>are they trying to be competitive? as in win tournaments? or just have fun in their homogeneous group?

a. thats up to interpretation
b. no
c. yes

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Wasn't trying to get caught up in Fixed versus free. I saw this as a seperate group playing polo and thought you might know what was happening. I was worried that someone had gotten a poor view of melbourne and hadn't had a chance to meet you. ( you are in Melbourne right?)
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That shit 's legit as fuck!

>Wasn't trying to get caught up in Fixed versus free.

No wasn't saying you were, just the parts of thread generally. (Because of the title)

And yes, I'm in Melbourne and people have met me.

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Ron Burgundy wrote:

People know me

.Storm Boys.
2011 Australian Champions

Um, I'm very important. I have many leather-bound mallets, and my bike smells of rich mahogany.

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We all know what you said Dingo. That edit button is too easy.

BOP: Team Drug Rug Approves.

Okay catfish, I'm going to move my mouth like this...

urbanbicyclist wrote:

Um, I'm very important. I have many leather-bound mallets, and my bike smells of rich mahogany.

Well i'm very happy for you.

...well played damon...

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I think that is just silly! A lot of us here in Austin are fixed gear and mist of us are also brakeless, but we encourage everyone to play(no matter what kind of bike you ride). The more comfortable you are the better I say. I'd say let them do what they do and just let them act however they want to. They'll learn soon enough that people will nit be too friendly to them because of what they are doing. Anyways, have a great Christmas everyone!!!!!

mike-polo

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I wonder what the point of it is. Is it that there is a certain style that develops when you only have fixies? Most of use in Tulsa are on fixies so we don't really know any different. I think this is bs and won't last long.

IN FTL we discourage fixed gears.
"ok Mr. Schwinn fucking Armstrong!"

"ok Mr. Schwinn fucking Armstrong!"
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fixxxed doesnt allow you to progress to your highest game. get real, freewheel!
you play with my team, you playin with my emotions

Bigg Werm wrote:

fixxxed doesnt allow you to progress to your highest game. get real, freewheel!
you play with my team, you playin with my emotions

This is true. Every player here in mpls who once played on their fixie, and switched to freewheel has becomes instantly better. When your not concentrating on not running into walls or running people over, you can actually concentrate on getting the ball and keeping it. Instead of "sweet I got the ball, now I cant stop in time." I personally don't understand why anyone would play polo on a fixed gear. I also don't buy the reasoning that you can play better goalie fixed. I can trackstand, back up, and roll backwards all day on my freewheel. But that's just me, and polo is, like someone already said, about being comfortable.

"Fuck the pigs, Fuck the punks, Death is where its at"

You should edit your post to say brakeless instead of fixed. The only problem I've noticed with fixed is being forced to time my shot to not interfere with my legs spinning.

X alot

EVBP

EVBP
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Ok now......!!! There is no need to start the shit talk on fixies. I ride Fixie brakeless and have been riding like that ever since I got my bike. I ride Bmx with no brakes aswell. I just feel comfortable riding this way and I feel like I do a pretty damn good job doing so. Let's just keep our negative opinions to ourselves and play some polo. I encourage anyone to ride whatever bike suits them and they feel comfortable on. And hopefully Jarrod and his team can play us again in Pensacola! Have a great weekend -

mike-polo

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Quit being so positive, it's Christmas, after all.

I dont think anyone was just ragging on fixies for the sake of it. I too ride fixed brakeless enerywhere and have for about 6 years now. i feel one with my bike on the road or the track but as soon as i get on the polo court, out comes the freewheel. I played fixed/front brake for about 6 months and thought that suited me just fine, however as soon as i started riding freewheel my ball retention and manouverability(?) increased tenfold. So dont get us all wrong, fixies are great but freewheels just make playing polo sooooo much easier. (thats my 2c worth)

If your mum gave you 2 dollars to buy three ice creams, how many ice creams could you buy before you get shot in the back with a harpoon?

If your mum gave you 2 dollars to buy three ice creams, how many ice creams could you buy before you get shot in the back with a harpoon?

mike polo wrote:

Ok now......!!! There is no need to start the shit talk on fixies. I ride Fixie brakeless and have been riding like that ever since I got my bike. I ride Bmx with no brakes aswell. I just feel comfortable riding this way and I feel like I do a pretty damn good job doing so. Let's just keep our negative opinions to ourselves and play some polo. I encourage anyone to ride whatever bike suits them and they feel comfortable on. And hopefully Jarrod and his team can play us again in Pensacola! Have a great weekend -

mike-polo

Agreed!

Bike polo started on fixed gear, is still played well on fixed gear and when there are no more fixed gears playing polo that will be a sad day! I'm an old man and don't like change! Brakes brake and i can't stand the sound of freewheels!

Still Fixed!

"bike polo started on fixed gears..."

proof?

BOP: Eating Little Split Pea's shit for years.

Okay catfish, I'm going to move my mouth like this...

I think he may be referring to grass polo, played since forever ago when that's what people rode?

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[quote=The Falcon]"bike polo started on fixed gears..."

proof?

Fixed gear came before free and polo was played before both! No one on this forum or anyone we might know started bike polo, hard or soft court. As much as some people on here might like to think!
Free or fixed is fine, i love how the people whine!
Five minutes of research on google will show you as long as "safty bikes" have existed so has polo on them!

Found an article from 1918 in the St. Pete Times couple days ago saying the newspaper boys used to play out front on 4th street once a week!
Thought that was pretty cool!

Florida plays polo!

Still Fixed!

sixoneseven][quote=mike polo wrote:

i can't stand the sound of freewheels!

Not all freewheels make that obnoxious ticking sound. My experience with freewheels hasn't been so hot. I keep reading about people trying them out and never looking back. I don't even notice my fixed gear or having to keep peddling. On the other hand, I do notice having to use a stick to back up or mashing on a brake all the time to stop or slow down. But that's my whip, on our court you can play with what ever you want, we won't mind the screeching of your brakes or clicking of your freewheel, just show up we'd love to have in Tulsa.

Oh yeah! DISCRIMINATORY POLO 4 EVA!!!!!!!!! :P
If your mum gave you 2 dollars to buy three ice creams, how many ice creams could you buy before you get shot in the back with a harpoon?

If your mum gave you 2 dollars to buy three ice creams, how many ice creams could you buy before you get shot in the back with a harpoon?

So who's ready to play polo? This thread is wack!

mike-polo

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I don't undrstand why this distinction would be made. The game isn't radically different on free or fixed so making this distinction seems pointless.

Thank you jonny!! Let these group of fixie riders make their polo club and maybe they will change their minds about some things.

mike-polo

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no problem, but i'm rocking it in ATX tomorrow and i hope someone has a freewheeled bike for me.

exclusion= lame and something that won't last long.

c.hill wrote:

exclusion= lame and something that won't last long.

Quoted for truth.

concentrate more on the little ball than what a whacker is riding.

Throw your mallet in.

Abide rule #1.

that is all.

Sorry but I won't be in town until Monday jonny, but I'm sure we'll play soon. Have a great time in Austin!

mike-polo

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fixed only polo sounds juvenile and pointless. Kinda like all the machismo that is prevalent in a lot of young riders, or those who have just recently taken up riding fixed gear. They think they're blessed with some awesome, exclusive power from the bike gods, and this allows them to ride fixed and/or brakeless. Badge of honor type shit.

I don't care what you ride, or how you ride it, but the "fixed only" thing is stupid.

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True, but I must admit having not to depend on your tripod to stay upright on the goal is quite a nice perk to using fix on the goal.

Anywhere else and brakeless is just a rash decision.

There are plenty of people who can stay upright, hop around, trackstand, etc. while still riding a freewheel. Like Jonny said above, there's not much difference to the game either way, but a lot of the "fixed for life" club seem to want people to believe otherwise.
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SAUCE!!! I see you there! <3<3<3

I'm glad you're on .ca and all, but where were you today? We had some mad game going on.

polopolopolopolopolopolopolopolopolopolopolopolopolopolopolopolo

i think this whole exclusion thing is a great idea. the less people playing people the better. less freewheels, more mavericks out theres

Del Boca Vista Polo

hotbike wrote:

less freewheels, more mavericks out theres

Likes the cut of your jib! (Even though she doesn't know what a jib is)

I just threw up in my mouth. Thanks.

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x2 on the ride what you will theme.

observations:

free, and want to go backward? Put your chin toward the front wheel, grab the brake, push your arms out and let go but not the bars. Probably quicker when fixed but this works faster than a polo cane.

fixed, and don't have your cadence set for a whack attack? I've seen Doug ee fresh hop a quick rotatojustment and fire to score lots of times here in SF. He rolls with a front brake I think.

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if yer riding fixed and are unable to stop yourself appropriately, then you are a hazard to other players. IMO, as bad as riding sans barend plugs or not capping your mallet off proper. saw more than one player careening out of control into a wall, solely because they couldnt stop their brakeless fixie.

one team brought a few brakeless fixies with flat pedals, no straps, to COMO. that shit was making me nervous, and i wasnt even on the court.

That's funny you say that cause I acually played in como and I don't remember seeing anyone on a Fixie run into any wall except for me when I blocked a goal against Phoenix. There was a lot of checking into walls and that's it. Well anyways, the point here is ride what you want and learn the game and become good! We all change our minds from time to time. Have a great new years polo peeps!

mike-polo

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Court B (where I timed games both days) had a few oh-shit-I-can't-stops. Luckily, those pads are comfy and everyone was okay.
And yes, people will ride what they ride. I started out playing freewheel, moved to fixed, and now I'm back to freewheel for life. As far as playing goes, play with what you will do best with and not endanger others with. It's best to get experience in both worlds. What's frustrating is people writing off freewheels as uncool or something because fixed gears are, like, "in". (Not to say that you do, mike)

SUCK TOWN POLO

Completely understandable drew. I however don't discriminate any bike or player on the court. I see a lot of people on free that fucking kill the court and it's awesome. But then there is that moment when that brake cable or something that has to do with the brakes that gets caught in or on something and or breaks and bam! You have to stop what you're doing to fix it. I learned how to ride a fixed gear bike brakeless and a month after that I started polo. Who knows, I might put on a brake or change to freewheel. But as far as right now, I feel secure and confident about my riding, style and my play. I love polo and it's all I think about. I like seeing everyone have a great time and get to know one another. I like seeing different styles of play and things that I would like to learn aswell. So I just choose not to discriminate against any person or bike of that matter and just enjoy bike polo and have a great time. But then again, we all love HATERS! :)

mike-polo

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mike polo wrote:

That's funny you say that cause I acually played in como and I don't remember seeing anyone on a Fixie run into any wall except for me when I blocked a goal against Phoenix. There was a lot of checking into walls and that's it. Well anyways, the point here is ride what you want and learn the game and become good! We all change our minds from time to time. Have a great new years polo peeps!

mike-polo

atx had their fixed setups under control. and like drew said, most of the can't stop carnage was on court B. there was a lawrence player too that ran full speed into the walls on court A. no thanks.

i have been playing brakeless for several months now. i can stop my bike just fine, and haven't had any of those "oh shit" situations. but that being said, ill be trying a freewheel and a rear brake very soon.

UPDATE. i have recently switched to a freewheel and a rear brake.

Its safe to say that I'm never playing polo on a fixed gear ever again. And this comes from a guy who loves his fixies.

see.

Okay catfish, I'm going to move my mouth like this...

Mike, you and... was it Charlie? All the fixed ATX peeps - You guys definitely handled your bikes well. It also helped that you guys gave every team you played a run for their money.

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This was acually Charlie and Roberts first tourney and my third. It was definitely intense and a big eye opener for us all. This coming year is going to be a good year for us I believe. We are definitely getting better and practicing more. See you all again soon!

mike-polo

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One more thing! Two teams from Austin placed in new Orleans. We took first place and our other team took sixth with one of them winning MVP of the tourney. We were all brakeless too....,

mike-polo

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In the cycling world a lot of people ride fixed, but only a handful do it well.

Apply this equation to bike polo and the difference between great and dangerous is amplified.

once upon a time
back when fixed gear riders were veteran messengers or guys that would train on them for bike racing in the off season
i purchased a track bike and was captivated
that bike kept me motivated to keep going to work and made me alot of money as a messenger in dc
then came the "craze"
i was confused as to why someone would ride a bike like that before ever experiencing the raw speed of a road bike
i got jaded and started to hate on the "tricksies"
i grew out of that faze
now i just love the fact that folks enjoy biking/want to play polo
i haven't read any of these posts but i already know what they say
yes freewheel is the way to go but hey, so what! let em'play there is something chivalrous in their concept
the way bike polo is going is that there will be many different leagues anyway
as kool kieth said "dont hate, just relate"

"This is the way it's always gonna be"

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xsomething grandpa

"more chivalry in more places attempted by more peoples"

I play on a fixed gear and i don't want to play on anything else.I have tried freewheel and I prefer fixed.it took a second to figure out a good gear ratio for polo so I can skid easily with one hand at high rates of speed.I don't think one is better than the other it just depends on you and the way you ride.but you should not play on a bike you can't control then your a risk to yourself and others.

THANK YOU!!! This is what I've been trying to get across to everyone but it just seems that someone else gets on this thread and has something negative to day.. Let's just play polo. When you people play us on our fixies, let us know how we did :)

mike-polo

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miguel, give it up. you totally suck on that fixie!

I find all of these topics interesting regarding personal preferences for bikes, equipment, rules etc. It's all good though.

Let's see what this conversation looks like in say 10 years, as to what becomes the most commonly used.

Most people like this sport / game because there are no rules limiting what kind of bike, what kind of mallet, what size of court; it's the free spirit nature of the game that attracts people. It's the freaking awesomeness of playing wicked polo with like minded (great) people that keeps everyone coming back for more.

peace and love all, play polo not war.

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Very astute pakkalolo. There was recently a "little" controversy over mallet heads that trap the ball here in melbourne. Of course there were screams of BAN THEM! but as most people sesibly pointed out, we cant start making rules for individual situations. I think fixed only is just another pointless rule used by those who havent thought it fully through (or maybe over-thought it). but if there are true polo lovers in this new group then i think they will be aching to play polo WHEREVER, WHENEVER, AGAINST WHOEVER AND ON WHATEVER BIKE! and really, who is going to get better playing against the same few players on the same type of bikes with the same types of mallets week in week out.

Advancement comes from Innovation.

"MORE INCLUSION BY MORE PEOPLE IN MORE PLACES MORE OFTEN?"

If your mum gave you 2 dollars to buy three ice creams, how many ice creams could you buy before you get shot in the back with a harpoon?

My only concern is that these players are showing up on their trick fixies with 46-16 ratios or something like that, this leads to plenty of "oh shit" moments and most likely someone will lose a 200 dollar rim. That being said, having a fixed gear at the ratio in my tag below has worked through plenty of matches. My only beef is fixed gear at low ratio leads to stripped hubs, loose lockrings, and the like. That's expected from the effort I put into my bike, but it just isn't as cost effective over the long run like a freewheel would be.

So, Australia, cheers to you for riding fixed but the inclusiveness (as others have said) is lame and will lead to failure. They need variety in the club in order to truly enjoy the game.

What happens when someone shows up on a freewheel? You tell them, no thanks don't play polo? even if it's the best player in australia?

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bike:1997 leader 52cm, 34-18 Fixed, chopped handlebars, emergency brake.
Tourneys: Denver, Austin 09, CoMo 09

Denverfetish wrote:

My only beef is fixed gear at low ratio leads to stripped hubs, loose lockrings, and the like.

if its part of your life, then its worth your coin.


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Shiny. White Industries right?

wait, are phil track cogs splined like the white industries cogs?

another slip-proof option for fixed riders:

http://tomicog.blogspot.com/

I spoke to someone at Phil Wood at Interbike and he said they're testing the White Industries spline system, as well as 6 bolt cogs/hubs to match. I've got mixed feelings about the 6 bolt thing, but if Phil does it, it's ON.

to be honest, im surprised more companies don't adopt the idea of bolt-on fixed cogs. only drawback i can see is that you can't run anything smaller than a 16t. not a deal breaker though.

I think the LeVeL Components hubs made the most sense, as there was no lockring, but the load was taken by the hub and not the bolts, but the 6bolt thing is growing on me. I had doubts at first, but when I really sat down an thought about it, the load from braking is REALLY high, and more intense than that of a drivetrain. I DO like the fact that it doesn't require any large tools to switch stuff out, meaning you could do courtside cog swaps pretty easily. As I said above, when Phil gets it dialed, it'll be good to go. The one I saw had countersunk bolt heads, so that the threads were not taking the load, which is even better.

look what i stumbled upon. it is indeed on!

http://www.philwood.com/products/new/

check the belt drive shit too. not polo related, but pretty hot.

damn! Only in 120mm! You could probably buy just a cog/bolt set though.

Denverfetish wrote:

So, Australia, cheers to you for riding fixed but the inclusiveness (as others have said) is lame and will lead to failure.

I think you mean "exclusiveness." Inclusiveness is a good thing.

MMMMMBOP

Okay catfish, I'm going to move my mouth like this...

And who is the best player in Australia, just wondering... :)

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bike:1997 leader 52cm, 34-18 Fixed, chopped handlebars, emergency brake.
Tourneys: Denver, Austin 09, CoMo 09

Bike Polo is a team sport :)

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Well put, sir.

OI!

Who's the best team! :p

I dunno about fixed only clubs...that seems kinda lame. On the other hand, I would mind seeing some fixed only games at polo events.

"can't score a goal on someone while doin a fuckin keo-spin"

There's pretty much great relations all round in Melbourne between the fixed polo and the (normal?) polo crew.

Although in Brisbane, some of the fixed gear crew are going freewheel for polo and paying the price in the schoolyard.

link to post on fixed.org.au

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I like the "come one come all" vibe of Melbourne Polo. It's part of the reason why I summoned up the courage to say "who's the boss of this game? Can I play?" Apart from a few bike mechanics shaking their heads in disbelief at my franken-bike there's been no inkling of snobbery here. I like hearing the fixie back wheels go "bang" every now and then too! (takes me back to 'Nam..... Massive fixie scene there..... :)

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