i would love to see it in spain or italy!
Machine Politics vs Beaver Boys, May 2011. Photo by Bruce Carver
EHBPC 2011--- Where and when [update= post your bid before 2011]
[update:]
All the City interested should give euro community a bid before 2011.
Bid including:
dates, number of courts, minimal number of teams etc... all informations people want to know and that biders could give.
January Gonna be a month for voting (if there is more than one bid), and asking questions to organizers.
Does this seems ok for everyone here?
Cheers.
Hi all,
I think that the sooner we begin to talk about it, the best it is.
So that's a topic to begin to talk about dates and city intersted in organizing the EHBPC 2011.
August 10, 2010 - 10:52am
#2
August 10, 2010 - 11:13am
#3
Barcelona!
August 17, 2010 - 2:27pm
#4
Way to get the conversation started Uolmo!
August 18, 2010 - 4:06am
#5
Go Barcelona!!
I'll present the candidacy soon.....
August 23, 2010 - 8:53am
#6
Barcelona would be rad, and my first choice.
Paris, K'ruhe, and maybe A'dam should think about it too?
August 23, 2010 - 9:04am
#7
Barcelona!
What an amazing city, this gets my vote.
August 26, 2010 - 4:15pm
#8
I can think of no other Eurocity with the scene and location that Barcalona has, go Barcelona for EHBPC2011.
Night tournament though. Can't play in anything over 28∘
August 26, 2010 - 6:59pm
#9
yeah, dates have to be discussed. It would have to be in either late may/early june or mid-september.......
August 27, 2010 - 1:10am
#10
If the EHBPC 2011 continue to happen before the WHBPC (it seems logical), it looks difficult to organize them during mid-septembre.
Barcelona for 2011 is a great idea!
August 27, 2010 - 5:21pm
#11
Yeah dude Barcelona ftw. You hombres can have a lot of help with logistics details from GVA and LDN.
September 14, 2010 - 2:27am
#12
Barcelona: +1
September 21, 2010 - 11:13am
#13
BARçA BARçA BARçA!!
October 8, 2010 - 6:37am
#14
Barcelona, definitly
October 12, 2010 - 3:47pm
#15
Seems Paris, Roma, Vicenza will do it next year. Here in Barcelona we are making arrangements to make a big tourney. Not that GVA standard is easy to reach... we'll try or, we'll drunk you so much that you will see lots of polo girls making turns around you!
October 13, 2010 - 12:15pm
#18
i'll state it again, sorry if my message lead to confusion, Barcelona is hosting EHBPC 2011.
Do Paris/Karlsruhe.... oppose?
October 13, 2010 - 12:34pm
#19
Ok, it was pretty confusing.
I think that you need to post a bid for presenting the way you understand EHPBC organization, then just wait few days or weeks that any other city don't move about it,and then go for it.
When you see this thread, it look like its already done for BCN, but posting bid is always a good thing for everybody. make something who answer this kind of question: http://leagueofbikepolo.com/node/add/bid2011
Can we fix a deadline togheter, with any people involved in europe polo community. I don't know, like one month from now? We can all try to make euro people have a look on this thread to give their constructive opinion about all this.
Following a process like for NA, with a comitee etc, gonna becom essential for next years, but it seems that for choose the ehbpc 2011 hosters we don't need it this year.
October 13, 2010 - 1:16pm
#20
yes i agree... it seems barcelona is kind of an idea accepted by everybody but, yeah, we need more voices in this subject.
we'll bid when we have something to bid on, because right now it's still pretty much in the air. I would like other cities presenting candidacy also. It would be good for the community. And then a poll or something.
One month can be... but let me talk to alejandro, see what he thinks. When did you present your candidacy last year?
October 13, 2010 - 7:54pm
#21
will U.S. teams be allowed to compete at this?
October 14, 2010 - 1:40am
#22
will euro teams be allowed to compete at the NA's?
makes no sense.
October 14, 2010 - 1:40am
#23
will euro teams be allowed to compete at the NA's?
makes no sense.
October 14, 2010 - 7:21am
#24
european teams were allowed to compete at NA's this year. If Europe sets up a qualification system like we are here then i imagine if a team from Europe qualifies then it wouldn't be a problem.
October 14, 2010 - 5:26am
#26
This is something that a worldwide association would have to decide/govern I reckon, at the moment the logistics/decisions lie with the hosting city/scene/organisers.
My gut feeling is that a US team would be turned away, the tournament is used to find the "best European team" and often feeds teams to the Worlds. It's possible that US subs could join a European team if the majority were still Euro though, etc?
Barcelona, London is about to re-new the EHBPC domain, I would suggest that you formally put forward your proposal to host 2011 on this forum or on the EHBPC domain and then give people a window to come forward with competing proposals (1 month)? If your bid is uncontested then Barcalona EHBPC 2011 is good to go.
Get in touch if you need advice/direction: info@lhbpa.org
October 14, 2010 - 4:13pm
#27
jesus man, can we someday get away from this whole euro / amero thing? there are way more places playing than just europe or america.
is the tour de france just for the french? the british open for the british?
is it possible select a european champion and a champion of europe at the same tournament?
why would anyone not want to see the best polo out there, played by the best teams available? why would anyone want to restrict entry to team that was better than another just because of where they came from? keep it open and let people play in whatever they want, let the best polo decide.
October 14, 2010 - 5:17pm
#28
sounds good really... too modern perhaps, in our no man's land world. It's good we stop thinking in groups inside groups... maybe there's a reason. Many sports such as football are played in three ways - League, Euro's, World's.
I would like to state that I totally respect australian/asian polo community, it's just that they are not as strong as for now and maybe they are too far... I don't know.
I find myself thinking square. But why should we change things now.... that old moto: if it ain't broke don't fix it comes to my mind.
Anyway we'll study the matter and of course we would be very happy if some world teams come to an euro based tournament. Is that it?
October 14, 2010 - 5:21pm
#29
Im 50/50 on this one.
I like the idea of "fuck the border" and just play polo more often with more people.
But in the other hand, i found pretty hard to organize a tournament for 48 during last summer for the EHPC. Allow more teams to come make me feel that the number of teams during the tourney gonna be to big. And it's already hard to find a way to select teams who could come from europe, make a system to allow other continent team gonna be pretty complexe.
If we allow the best teams to come to every tournament, theorical, there is a lot of chance that all the final phases of tourney look like the other one (10 best teams in differents orders).
all the tourney all the year, but 2 or 3, works like Tour de France, open for everybody. The NA, Worlds and Europeans can be compared to European Soccer cup ( or Africa cup, america etc...). In cyclsim there also nationals championnships.
November 30, 2010 - 11:34pm
#30
Yah I am kind of 50/50 as well, I I fully agree with you on the more polo and everything you said...... but this is North Americans qualification for seating for worlds. I think if there was not a full turn out for the NA's I would see no reason why euros and Aus. and others could sign up.
October 15, 2010 - 11:40am
#31
yeah, i got the feeling it is not a good idea. Euros and NA's are intended to decide whos the best from that section of our planet. It would then be like two World's, kind off, and another.
it's cool that you open spots for euro teams... but i think we should trace a defined border in those two specific tourneys.
October 14, 2010 - 7:02pm
#32
As much as a "no border" mindset rocks, essentially you're asking if the current US teams can come and fill the Euro podium that currently allows our scene to blossom year-on-year.
What exactly would the Euro organisers/teams/scene get from allowing the US teams to come and enjoy what has been an epic tournament? This may sound defensive, but so far the Euros have been the highlight of the year..?
The LHBPA is going to invest loads of time and effort into the London Open next year, this isn't some sort of stand-off-ish stance, etc.
October 14, 2010 - 8:11pm
#33
i am not asking for US teams to be able to come to the euros, they can handle that on their own.
are you saying that having non-euro teams at the european championships would somehow degrade the local euro scene? in which way? is there some kind of different game being played over there or would the north americans or australians just not fit in? would the players and spectators somehow not benefit from having the highest level of competition available?
at this point in the sport it just seems pointless to me to segregate good players out of a polo competition because of where they were born. who cares?
i think the game benefits from the cultural and stylistic exchange. more polo played by more people in more places more often.
and who's to say that the european teams couldn't win their own championship or come over to win the north american's?
sounds a bit defeatist to me.
October 15, 2010 - 4:20am
#34
I guess it is defeatist, you're right... give us another year or so and that may not be the case.
Regardless of skill level it's also about finding the "best team in Europe", but it's hard to say that without sounding like an exclusive dick.
The tournament is only 2 years old so who knows what the future holds... if any team wants to play next year I'd get in touch with the Barca guys (when it's official) as the decision would lie with them in my mind.
October 14, 2010 - 9:27pm
#37
Regardless of if non-Euro teams are ALLOWED to play in the Euros or not, a non-Euro team would still need to qualify. Unless the organizers allocate a wildcard or invitational entry slot its going to be pretty hard right?
If the trend of Euro qualification continues the same as it was in Geneva - where spots were allocated to each city and the city was then responsible for allocating those spots as they saw fit (most common was a qualification tourney if there were more teams than spots)- a non-Euro team would have to travel to a city and qualify for one of their spots in order to be eligible to play in the Championships. And then return to Europe at the time of the tourney. Seems like a lot of time, effort and money.
I did hear some people talk about preferring the idea of a National qualification over a city based system for they sake of having "the best teams".
This doesn't REALLY involve me at all. Just my 2 cents, although I did play in the Euros in Geneva. And it was one of the most fun tourneys i've attended to date.
October 15, 2010 - 4:26am
#38
x2,
Matter is qualifications.
October 16, 2010 - 5:43pm
#39
most common was a qualification tourney if there were more teams than spots
....not everywhere...
Again...matter of qualifications.
October 17, 2010 - 5:18am
#40
most common was a qualification tourney if there were more teams than spots
....not everywhere...
Again...matter of qualifications.
Yeah, there were some places where you actually had to show up and win in order to earn your spot.
October 17, 2010 - 6:36pm
#41
Like how we showed up in the worlds maybe? And your team, how do you showd up there?
Venga va!!
October 17, 2010 - 7:13pm
#42
Qualified baby, qualified ;)
October 18, 2010 - 3:50am
#43
Qualified? How? In a tournament? I don't remember that tournamnent....I think was more like a finger that came from the sky saying, "Yes, you are qualified".
Don't worry everyone has a dark past....
October 18, 2010 - 7:11am
#44
Yeah, you problably weren't there when it happened....
October 18, 2010 - 7:41am
#45
Yes, cause it never happened, and that's why you came to me to say sorry after we got 20 places over you in the worlds.
October 18, 2010 - 8:03am
#46
Love is never having to say you're sorry.
October 18, 2010 - 8:09am
#47
most common was a qualification tourney if there were more teams than spots
....not everywhere...
Again...matter of qualifications.
Just saying the true, with love or not.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to continue with this kid's conversation, I was trying to show how some people like to work.
October 18, 2010 - 9:23am
#48
Awwww... :(
I was hoping to see how many replies could fit on one page.
October 15, 2010 - 2:08pm
#49
How do you define european? north american? you can't. I'm from Toronto but i lived in Paris for a year and i have an Irish passport. When my "european" team played at the Euros in 2008 we were a Parisian, a hoser living in London, and a hoser living in France.
This will all just come down to the qualifications system. NAH is developing a qualification system that is based on tournaments that take place in the North American region, but no one will be checking citizenship etc.
Don't get me wrong, i think people we will increasingly need annoying and seemingly arbitrary rules to exclude and include teams due to tournament capacity, but "European" and "North American" shouldn't be one of them.
October 15, 2010 - 3:57pm
#50
i come home and i tell mummy ive just been to the europeans and she tells me who won? and i dont lie to my mummy so i say a team from seattle!?@&$;
i all for mixing up polo communities. but in this particular case... i dont know
suppose we do it how many non euro teams we allow out of 48 teams?
where us this qualification movement explained? is there any way we can make it global and fair?
October 15, 2010 - 11:18pm
#52
Ok, ok. This is getting out of touch with reality.
First things first. Barcelona is bidding for EHBPC 2011. We are working out the details is order to put down some official bid, start talking dates, formats, etc. I thought it was more or less assumed by the community. But I see I have to say it a bit louder. BARCELONA FOR EHBPC 2011 (more details to come....)
Regarding NA teams playing the euros, the answer is a short no.
Why you might ask? Well it is plain and simple: limited ressources. If we could host two hundred and something teams and have dozens of courts, I would be more that happy to welcome you at the EHPBC. Unfortunately, what once was a small and manageable community, has grown incredibly fast. Therefore, I would not think for a second to exclude a european team in favor of a team coming from abroad. I do not find that fair at all.
And don't believe that I am discriminating by nationality. I am mexican myself, but I play in the Barcelona league and I have a euro team. If you have a team in europe, they classify and are willing to play with you, then come, you have a spot which you earned. I wouldn't say no to Kevin if he was to play with DTGP, for example (if they make it :P). But sorry Machine Politics, Smile, Beaver Boys, you are NA teams and there are many other teams here aspiring for a spot.
Now, if you want to come and be part of the event. Be my guests, good times to be had in Barcelona. It'll be awesome to see you again, and we could definitely use a helping hand.
We have the worlds anyway to battle each other and kick the shit.....
October 16, 2010 - 9:34am
#54
I think you guys just don't want to get smoked on your own continent... again.
You read me like a book
October 16, 2010 - 9:35am
#55
you are just an agitator.
Seems Barcelona is saying that Euro based teams have priority in a tournament called European Hardcourt blablabla, makes sense i think.
We are very happy to get smoked anytime if the match was good and fair. If anything you americans didn't expect so much level from a younger community.
So peace out bro, go bark at another tree...
October 17, 2010 - 5:15am
#57
What are the criteria for determining what constitutes a Euro based team or a "team in europe"?
Seriously? Is it that much of a riddle?
October 17, 2010 - 12:44pm
#59
I guess you didn't read my reply above. It's ok, I'll rephrase it so that it's clear.
A euro team, is basically a team that plays in any of the european cities. There is usually a qualifying process that defines who gets the spots allowed to each city. Meaning that each city decides which team grabs the spots available for them, by means of a league, a tournament, or otherwise.
If the community of the city of your choice grants you a spot, or you happen to be a member of one of the teams that got one, then you are welcome to play, as you, carnalito, are a euro player.
Is this explanation up to the standards of the gentleman?
October 18, 2010 - 1:40pm
#60
We were divised for EHBCP 2009. For me a European team was a team who get qualified on the basis of the pre-registration process that we made. If seatlle come to paris and convice them to let them play into the qualifiying paris tourney and they take a slot... that's ok.
Some other was more like: you are from the city were you actually live and PLay usually polo, and if you want to take some extra player, you can, but only one on two.
Is there any other kind of definition that you see?
October 18, 2010 - 2:28pm
#62
-- """So the team doesn't have to be made of residents of a european country if they can qualify in a qualifying tournament that's in europe?"""
During ehbpc 2010 If the city (it was based on city, not on country) polo community allow a team to get selected into their local tourney, they can. It didn't happens.
October 18, 2010 - 3:03pm
#63
That's like three different definitions of a "euro team."
- So the team doesn't have to be made of residents of a european country if they can qualify in a qualifying tournament that's in europe?
- The team can be made up of up to two people who aren't residents of a european city?
- If you hold a European passport but don't live there now... but have lived somewhere in europe in the past then you can play?
- gponx says that each city picks who goes--what if they want to pick a team that's not based in their city and is not made up of primarily european residents (or passport holders, or people who lived there for a semester five years ago)?
ie, if someeurocity picks Seattle as their pick in lieu of a group of three residents, is this allowed?
I'd like to nominate the Sphinx to head your eligibility committee... that way we'd have a better chance of deciphering what's expected.
Do you have actual point to be made? or you just want to keep arguing for the sake of it.
Maybe Sphinx can break it down for you....
October 18, 2010 - 2:32pm
#65
( in my prst post, im talking about Ehbpc 2010, not 2009 who belong to london commitee, don't know why i can't edit some of the post and other not...)
October 18, 2010 - 5:21pm
#66
Daniel, there is no European body for polo at the moment.
You're all "how will teams be selected" and we're like "this is what's happened in the past" and you're like "that's not even a proper answer, that's three answers" and we're like "yeah, it's not nailed down, Barca will most likely decide" and you're like "boom, Seattle, USA, boom"?
Once the city has been decided, then discuss it with them... easy.
October 18, 2010 - 7:38pm
#67
Nevermind Jono, he's not gonna get it until he gets the answer he wants.
October 19, 2010 - 11:40pm
#69
La realidad sucede fuera de este foro, carnalito. Tranquilate.
Solo voy con mi pena
Sola va mi condena
Correr es mi destino
Para burlar la ley
Perdido en el corazón
De la grande Babylon
Me dicen el clandestino
Por no llevar papel
Pa' una ciudad del norte
Yo me fui a trabajar
Mi vida la dejé
Entre Ceuta y Gibraltar
Soy una raya en el mar
Fantasma en la ciudad
Mi vida va prohibida
Dice la autoridad
--
The reality happens outside this forum, carnalito. Chill.
I just go with my sorrow
One is my conviction
Running is my destiny
To circumvent the law
Lost in the heart
De la grande Babylon
Tell me the secret
Not to carry paper
Pa 'a northern town
I went to work
I left my life
Between Ceuta and Gibraltar
I'm a line in the sea
Ghost in the city
My life is prohibited
Authority says
November 23, 2010 - 3:29am
#73
Your digest is wholly inaccurate; and it's not funny.
Acceptable replies are:
A) Accurate and unfunny
B) Accurate and funny
C) Inaccurate and funny
Please resubmit your reply to fit one of the above criterion.
You are:
a) annoying
b) unfunny
c) a troll
d) some of the above
October 26, 2010 - 2:28pm
#74
here´s my vote for Barcelona!!!!
November 23, 2010 - 3:20am
#75
update.
[update:]
All the City interested should give euro community a bid before 2011.
Bid including:
dates, number of courts, minimal number of teams etc... all informations people want to know and that biders could give.
January Gonna be a month for voting (if there is more than one bid), and asking questions to organizers.
Does this seems ok for everyone here?
Cheers.
November 23, 2010 - 9:01am
#76
Who else is seriously considering bidding?
November 23, 2010 - 5:52pm
#77
No-one, but it's good to go through the formal process, I've asked around and everyone seems stoked with Barca stepping up.
Sexy Polo Beer was great, I'm confident they can improve on the last two years, no pressure, hah!
November 29, 2010 - 5:21am
#78
Barcelona is fine for me :)
November 30, 2010 - 6:53am
#79
Barcelona!
Entrecote Hardcourt Bike Polo Champioship!
Right?
November 30, 2010 - 4:47pm
#80
Barça=5
Real Madrid=donuts!
December 1, 2010 - 11:19am
#82
Just wondering? Why don't the euro club not set up reps like we have in N.A.? It is not that hard to set up something like that!
December 1, 2010 - 4:03pm
#83
We already have fairly good communication between countries (language barriers aside) and so far we've not had a need to take things to a European level (the Euros are looked after by the last country who held them until being passed to the next country where they can do what they like with the event).
I'm keen to help setup a European body, but not until I've had a chance to speak to more polo folk about it... there'll be plenty of time for that at next year's tourneys which should mean we can get something up and running by 2012 (if that's what people want).
December 2, 2010 - 8:44am
#84
Europeans should use more this board to facilitate communication i think.
The disscussion about all this is very constructive on LFGSS, but we can expect every polo people in europe to know they should go on an londonian board to talk about europapolo...
December 2, 2010 - 1:24pm
#85
True Clement, a few of us in London want to get a mailing list sorted with one or two representatives per country. I'll start a dedicated thread about it.
December 2, 2010 - 5:47pm
#87
Edit:
The disscussion about all this is very constructive on LFGSS, but we can""T"" expect every polo people in europe to know they should go on an londonian board to talk about europapolo...
December 4, 2010 - 1:18pm
#88
so start up a smaller version of leagueofbikepolo.com for europepolo or see if Keven can set something up on league. Start a blog it only cost $10. Organization is key!
December 6, 2010 - 7:38am
#89
so start up a smaller version of leagueofbikepolo.com for europepolo or see if Keven can set something up on league. Start a blog it only cost $10. Organization is key!
I think is not a good idea to start a separate blog for Europe... we should just push our Euro-players and teams to use this pages also for euro-organization!! I mean: make no sense to visit 2 - 3 ore more blogs every time I need to see what's going on in HBP community.
As you wrote I think that: "Organization is key!"
December 6, 2010 - 8:05am
#90
I think is not a good idea to start a separate blog for Europe... we should just push our Euro-players and teams to use this pages also for euro-organization!! I mean: make no sense to visit 2 - 3 ore more blogs every time I need to see what's going on in HBP community.
As you wrote I think that: "Organization is key!"
+1
December 6, 2010 - 12:29pm
#91
*OR* I will repeat this again have Kevin set something up on leagueofbikepolo.com. Europeans have to get a representative group together so that you guys can organize your own tour style tournaments and have a bit of an organizing body. I don't know if you have read or noticed that in North America we have regional representatives that are all on the NAH Board. That board has there own little "MY GROUP" Called the NAH Board. All I have been saying is that Europeans and what ever else regions or countries of the poloverse need to fallow suit. And when I said Kevin could set something up for you, I ment like a Euro Board MY GROUP so that only the representatives can have a way to start threads that only they can see. Making it easier to organize and plan something like the NA Tour.
Like I said "organization is key!"
December 1, 2010 - 2:07pm
#92
Barcelona!
January 10, 2011 - 4:51am
#93
So, when? Late may or early june?
It become important to know that.... If the tourney is early in the season, we all should know asap when it happens.
Cheers.
January 11, 2011 - 7:56am
#94
i know you are concerned, we are too.
And we'll inform asap as to when will it be.
Cheers!
January 11, 2011 - 9:32am
#95
c'mon barça we want INFOS INFOS INFOS. you wanna set up an early tournament... so WTF??? Late may early june? that's not only very evasive but also very soon. c'mon guys you can't tell you don't know nothing since EHBPC should be (according to you) in five months.
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