Machine Politics vs Beaver Boys, May 2011. Photo by Bruce Carver
is it the general consensus that it is within the rules of the game to use your mallet arm off the bars to push/shove/turn someone's steering arm if you're a righty on a player's left causing them to jack-knife? a player could literally just ride around jack-knifing players on the other team until everyone dabs...then walk the ball in. if you know someone is going to try to do it to you then don't you have to resort to the same tactics and then the game would just degenerate into off the ball physical arm contact...
this is not chicken winging. nothing fuck off jason mentions relates to it. the wing is not a push, shove, or turn of the victim's arm. chickening does not cause them to jack-knife. ignore whatever staff-sergeant jake says about the chicken wing. we should all be so lucky as to have ian show each of us first-wing what it means.
unthank you for confusing them pete.
may the chicken wing always be legal, and an honor, in hardtop hammer ball.
Chicken winging is awesome.
Shoving with a hand off the bars is a desperate move and it's cheap.
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chicken winging is bullshit and turns into elbows from behind, which is also bullshit, if i understand correctly. if you can't stop them with your bike, you shouldn't be able to just strong-arm them. i'm against it mostly because there is no way to draw the line between what's cool and what isn't. maybe you should tell us what chicken-winging is chris, because i am confused about how it magically doesn't involve pushing the other player.
If you're going to allow body on body checks, you have to allow the player being checked some way to defend against it. If a player comes up within very close proximity to a player with the ball and is forcing them off their line against the boards, I think it should be within the other player's right to be able to put a defensive forearm out in order to fight for the space.
Do you want this to be a contact sport or not, is all I'm saying? I don't agree with aggressive arm shoving and chicken winging either, but I do think that if you're going to allow someone to lay checks, you have to allow the player being checked the ability to push back in order to defend his position. Right?
Do you want this to be a contact sport or not, is all I'm saying? I don't agree with aggressive arm shoving and chicken winging either, but I do think that if you're going to allow someone to lay checks, you have to allow the player being checked the ability to push back in order to defend his position. Right?
agree 100%
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"If you're going to allow body on body checks, you have to allow the player being checked some way to defend against it. If a player comes up within very close proximity to a player with the ball and is forcing them off their line against the boards, I think it should be within the other player's right to be able to put a defensive forearm out in order to fight for the space." - RookieNick
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so defensive forearms are the new chicken winging? i'm all for this being a contact sport, i defensive forearm all the time, but that is different than chicken-winging which involves a push. i would prefer to see something that isn't carte blanche for off-handlebar arm pushing.
an offensive player having a defensive forearm stiffened for impact from a defensive player is different than a defensive player riding into an offensive player's steering arm with their off the bars mallet arm forearm/side of the hand extended. I'm not talking about fighting off pressure against the boards...open court play on and off the ball. on offense...how far and how high are you allowed to stick out your forearm and mallet to protect the ball? clotheslining people?...happened to me in the worlds...I was on defense head to head and the offense pushed the ball wide and my bike was between them and the ball...mallet arm extended the player left it there until it caught me in the neck and took me off my bike...I was concentrating on collecting the loose ball so I didn't even see it coming...they didn't even tap. three different tournaments I've had weak/dirty stuff pulled on me so while I love physical play probably more than I should I want to know where the boundaries are for contact.
2010... the year of the facewash... mark my words. . .
please explain facewash to us Paul.
yeah, although that pic is more "roughing" than "facewashing"...
i'd never go for the stiff arm facewash.. too direct. . more when you're locked up in the corner, perhaps someone tries to lock in a little chicken wang, and you just let your sweaty, rancid gloves ride up a bit into the opponents facial area. super gross, super annoying, very subtle and non violent. more offensive than anything else.
facewashing is a subtle art. i do want to fight some people at NAs though, preferably Seabass. just throwing that out there.. into the patchouli scented wind....
Would someone care to describe chicken winging?
In my opinion using your hand to push someone with the ball is a cheap foul. Intentionally grabbing someone's handlebars or brake is even cheaper.
Hands are for mallet and handlebars. Feet are for pedals. (Your own mallet handlebars & pedals, for the dense.)
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Intentionally grabbing someone's brake should be an immediate send-off. (If that doesn't constitute "being a dick" I'm not sure what does.)
One time i chicken winged eh jackal in Boston and he told me if I did it again he was going to "knock my fucking teeth out." I would like a general consesus where such mean spirited words are forbidden. Otherwise people could ride around just hurting people's feelings.
I am wondering what people think about riding through as well? say someone is trying to ride you off your line and turning in on you a little for a pinch against the boards. I usually drop my weight and shoulder, turn into them after making sure my bar is in front of theirs and ride on through leaving them in my wake and dabbed out. I usually lead this maneuver with my mallet arm forward but stable and bring it back with me as they are clearing my body so they don't knock me over.
btw wang x2
I think any use of the arm or hand to push or pull another person off their bike is very dangerous and should be frowned upon.
Chicken wing is a common move in hockey where the are is put out in a triangle to trap the opponents arm then you pull the arm toward you trapping the opponents are between the "wing" and the body.
Way more dangerous in polo than hockey because usually the arm that gets chicken winged in polo for a right handed player is driving the handlebar. The fall is often unexpected and the move is super cheap.
But having your elbow out while riding is not something that can be enforced the pulling folks off the bike can.
Thanks Rory. I can understand how that would be as infuriating as simple direct pushing with the hand.
Timtim, I've never held it against someone for taking me down by riding across (cutting in front of) my front wheel. It's my job to make sure I'm lower and more forward than you are, to keep it from happening. That's good polo...two players sprinting down the court shoulder to shoulder. Better if one breaks off and scores a goal.
I think that's called chicken winging and it's frowned up (and probably should be made illegal).
Pro-friendly bike polo!