Machine Politics vs L'Équipe, August 2010. Photo by Steph Simcox
Weird delayed penalties situation. NAH Ruleset 4.3
In EHBPC 2014 we had to deal with weird delayed situation, let's share some here and see how to deal with it.
Classical move from the ref: being too quick on the wistle:
Team A have the Ball, Team B make a foul that the ref see but Team A still get the ball in a good position. Ref call the foul and stop the game, breaking the advantage.
-In this situation, almost every time, Team A complain because they lost the advantage. Ref apologies and only reset the game. During this time, Team B, can get back in a good defensive position, making Team A goes from a situation who should have been a advantage to a shitty situation where Team is ready to defend.
These days it seems normal that ref cancel the advantage and only apologies...
Why not giving back the advantage to Team A, even if the ref had stop the game?
This way Team A don't get completly fuck by ref mistake. In the actual situation, they lost their advantage and Team B get the time to reset in a good position, with my solution, they can at least get the advantage, even if Team B had time to get back in good position.
When Benji from Utopists was reffing our game against Instinct in Padova he did such a thing. After a mallet under the wheel he blows the wistle, and we still get the advantage. Regarding the foul and the situation, it seems it was a good choice.
What happen if the ball goes out during an advantage situation? Should we care of who put the ball out if it was not on purpose?
We get penalized during a game in wich a player, Doddi, was ball handling like pro during minutes. So he get an advantage situation wich lasted long, and when we finally success to touch the ball, it goes out of bounds. As it was one of us who push the ball out, they kept the ball again and still get the advantage, this shit lasted for ever. Is that logical or should we say an advantage situation is broken when the ball goes out?
What should do a player to stop the advantage, only touching the ball with the end of is mallet or really get a small control of it?
If we say that just touching or shooting the ball away is not enough, does that mean that a player can score during an advantage for the other team by shooting from is own side? It seems that in Ice hockey this can be true.
According to the ruleset, a possession for the last player who touched the ball, so is that the same when an advantage situation occcurs? does a small touch count as possesion?
Alternative question: If a touch by the end is a control, what happens if you touch it while highsticking. This happens in Padova EHBPC 2014. A team get the advantage, tried to score, the ball after the shot deflected high in the air on some bike, the keeper try to control it way above his own head and touched it. The ref blow the wistle for stopping the game, thinking that this foul and the lost of the ball stopped the advantage. Right after the blow the ball went straight to nets, making the high stick move a own goal move. As the wistle where blow before, ref didn't counted in. I think he just gave the ball back to the team who had the advantage, making the high sticking counting as a possession... This was messy as shit to deal with.
When a player make a foul during an advantage for the other team, the ruleset say that the team should take 30 sec if I get it right. Isn't that too much for some really small fouls?