not to hijack your thread Mike, but has anyone stepped up to host the 2012 NA's yet?
World Hardcourt Bike Polo Championships...2013!
So as the dust settles here in Seattle ,and the call outs to Cities for next years worlds fade out into the woods of magnuson park and interesting question arises. Are we able to plan these damn things out any farther ahead than one year? I'm impressed by the CMWC planning groups in their ability to get the ball rolling 2 years ahead of time and I feel that this would be very beneficial after seeing the stress and amount of work needed to plan something of this size. What are peoples thoughts? Europe, Geneva in particular, had a lot of finger pointing for worlds next year and following the trend it would be another US city the year after that. If we're going to continue to jump the atlantic for a few more years (with all due respect to australia and japan If you guys feel you can do it I will hop the pacific too) It seems to make sense to have some rough ideas out there.
hijack away, I think that those conversations should have been happening in calagary at the very least. Seeing Seattle struggle (though honestly we did a hell of a job) to get worlds together in less than a year makes me wonder when we can start to give cities more time.
Where will the 2012 worlds be?
Only rumors as of right now. Kind of my point though. I know I'd like to have some time to save and scrape some cash together. Really I'd like two years to scrape if I have to.
Who makes the decision of where the worlds will be in 2012? What's the world governing body for hard-court?
Since there's no global governing body, last year NAH wrote a bunch of polo organizers in europe, japan, australia, essentially asking permission to run the WHBPC bid process, which is how it ended up happening. Bid process was run through LOBP, and Seattle was the only bid.
I think there's wide-spread expectation that WHBPC will be in europe next year, and there's no european governing body that could manage the bid process, although some stuff is coming together. Ideally we'll know two years ahead of time. But not very many organizers are ready to commit that far down the line....
Better to plan with 2 years then one, I know with NA's a bit more time would have been nice. For cities that are interested in planing NA's or Worlds don't be deterred when you here that they are a lot of work to organize. There are lots of people out there whiling to help out, believe it or not a lot can be done from a distance!
While I feel like there is some pressure on geneva I would expect that all reasonable people would understand if they wouldn't be able to make it happen. Talking to Mario and Clement they expressed some concerns over court space which is priority number one and has to be respected when it comes to this kind of endeavor. Honestly though, I might go chill in Geneva just to stay in the bunkers.
they hosted last years European Champs, (and did a really fine job), they want to host next years Worlds (that is for sure)
they will put a proper bid for it, as they did last year, so if for any reason they can not find space or they have any other problem, they will say it, they are not stupid.
what we should be doing is asking and encouraging other communities to put a bid too, and setting up a dead line for it, and a voting process
also, choosing now the host for 2013, is a really good idea, so we could run the 2 votation simultaneously
I spoke to Japan and Australia and they think they can not commit in the next few years (4 or 5) for lack of space and organization respectively
Mexico could be interested, tho, so we can assume that for the next 3-4 years we will be alternating between Americas and Europa.
Yes, probably next 3 - 5 years we don't organize the "World" in Japan, I think.
You can assume that for the next 3-4 years we will be alternating between "North" Americas and Europa.
Toronto, East Van, Calgary, etc, etc.
I think that some cities in Canada has potential which can hold the WHBPC.
I think that some cities in Canada has potential which can hold the WHBPC.
WHBPC 2013 New Brighton Park!!!
I don't think Calgary will be hosting worlds anytime soon, after hearing and seeing how many people where not able or just not interested in crossing board to Canada. Although I would rather host worlds then the NA's because worlds is guaranteed to fill up!
and... When is the day of dead line?
We wanna talk about this.
Ignoring our lack of experience in hosting large tournaments and our position in world rankings, the main problem with Australia hosting will be the cost of flying down here.
The last 2 world championships have had issues with people not being able to afford to fly from NA to Europe/Europe to NA. Neither region was able to fill their quota of team places when they needed to fly across the world. Ticket prices to Australia will be so much more.
Really good points Rik. It does make it easier to plan for these things if we have that general schedule in mind. While I'm sure many people look forward to the time that Worlds can occupy a venue on any continenet, right now it seems that North America and Europe are the two places where this will happen for the easy future. Would the process for planning be the same? Is the Euro hardcourt group available to take bids? Are there any north american cities that as of right now think they can host worlds in two years? This is a request made without pressure, but seeing the people who really organized worlds within seattle deal with the stress and work of this endeavor I can see that all the time we can manage would be helpful to create an amazing event.
JAPAN 2013 hopefully I can afford to fly out there by then.
2012 Worlds in Baltimore. Count it.
Has anyone else thought about having Worlds every second year?
4 week Polo Tournie on a cruise ship. We can have all the qualifiers and the wildcard and the World finals as we pick people up and drop em off Just saying
Clement talking here with his brother phone and lobp account:
Rik is right about geneva, here is a pre bid:
Geneva want to do it, we havé expérience and a lot of facilites for free from the city hall.
Dates: late august 2012
Location: tryin to find a place right now, thats why we are silent. If we don't find any, we gonna bid onsame location as euro 2011, but with bigger courts ( if we can fill a water drain with ciment). Making the touney on court small as euro 2011 is impossible.
On this location:
Courts : 3 courts, 18x36m
Teams: 48, no wildcard or probably in another city near Geneva during the week before.
Housing: bunker, private housing.
Pro: beautiful city, great lake, good courts, lot of free things from city hall, experience from 2011. Good forts
Cons: not sure to find a location. Make courts bigger than euro 2011 on the same location have some issue, less space for crowd, work on ground. Expensive country and flight tickets for this dates probably expensives.
P.s
All this is sketchy but you get a major informations in it. We don want wildcard or really more than 48 or 64 teams if we find another location, because we don't gonna have more than 3 or 4 courts. Also that's worlds champs, so no need to be really open, something like 20 teAms from euro, 20 from na and 8 for Asia and aussies looks reasonable. According to the fact that na trams gonna probably be more around 15 teams showing up, so all this Is just perspectives...
Is august an expensive time to fly to europe? What about later in the year? worlds should be one of the last things on the schedule...
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2013: south america?
argentina!!!
at the end of this month we'll celebrate the first latin american tourney at chile
c'mon you lazy gringos: go down!
El Progreso BSAS Bike Polo invita!!!
I would love to play polo in Argentina!!
The end of this month, no way. 2013, I could put on the calendar.
has this been resolve yet?
no takers, for 2013 in USA-Canada??
Hi Folks,
Maybe it seems strange and unexpected, how about Kaohsiung, Taiwan WHBPC 2013 or 2014?
Taiwan is in the middle of Europe and America. We've a formal association, and local city government will stand by our side.
We've hosted several tournaments in Taiwan, and will host the Asian Takao Cup HBPC 2011 soon.
How about that ?
looking up ticket prices....
Hi Folks,
Maybe it seems strange and unexpected, how about Kaohsiung, Taiwan WHBPC 2013 or 2014?
Taiwan is in the middle of Europe and America. We've a formal association, and local city government will stand by our side.
We've hosted several tournaments in Taiwan, and will host the Asian Takao Cup HBPC 2011 soon.
How about that ?
do it! I'll pay whatever it takes!
I've just checked the weather, pheeew, make it happen between november and march.
Yes! snake bile shots before games.
Hi Pete, Maxxx and Robo,
Thanks ! I love to explain more about our sincerity. The most cheapest way will be flight to TPE and take a High Speed Rail to Kaohsiung. And here're our present, if WHBPC 2013 or 14 in Kaohsiung, Taiwan...
1) We have city government's support. The quantity of courts will be unlimited. Other supply also.
2) The weather will be just fine in Fall and Winter. So the date can be set on November or December for calling the perfect ending of the year.
3) Free foods in race days. Chinese, Japanese, food or western style. And a Taiwanese banquet in the night of WHBPC.
4) Kaohsiung has been hosted the World game 2009. We're sure we can do a good job.
http://www.worldgames2009.tw/wg2009/eng/index.php
5) Where ever it takes WHBPC 2012, we'll be there for learning and sourcing. The preparation will be abundant.
Looking forward your comments.
Do it! I'd love an excuse to go to Taiwan!
5) Where ever it takes WHBPC 2012, we'll be there for learning and sourcing. The preparation will be abundant.
i think this is your most important promise! we have had some communication with japanese polo through this year's whbpc, but otherwise asia<->euro/america crossover has been quite minimal. it would be great to broaden it in the coming year. has there been much asia/australia tournament travel happening?
But the best organizers are not necessarily the best players, and vice versa. Also, if you're seriously competing for a title, you're probably too busy to queue up swiss rounds and re-stock coffee, et cetera...
With regards to the "unlimited courts" claim, what do you mean justmekicking? You could have ten courts with full boards and goals and perfect court surfaces? I'd go for that reason alone.
Taiwan 2013, brilliant idea
x2 on establishing the bidding process for 2013 and setting a timeline to have that location determined, ideally, by the time people are traveling to 2012 Worlds. So, let's get this going, eh?
the world's should be in canada in 2013.
east van 2013!
Nanaimo 2013! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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