Anyone have advice on taking a train from Newark on Friday the 4th to Philly? I will be getting in at 11:45 at night am not sure if the train still runs from there or how the actually get there from Newark.
Thanks everyone!
dho+designs
Worlds 2009 thread #2 (and twitter feed for #WHBPC)
With a 1145pm flight you'll be cutting it very close getting to the train (gotta take a monorail thing to the station from the terminal)
just checked the njtransit page and the last train out of newark's airport station is like 12:06am
21 minutes... if you have no checked baggage and sit in the front of the plane you may make it...
If you miss that train, you can grab a train to Penn Station in NYC, which run later, and jump on a chinatown bus to Philly.
NJ I hope. Newark Liberty International Airport that is NJ right?
dho+designs
Thanks for the info-
I think since it will be like 2 or 3am in the morning I should be heading to a place to stay from there. Which stop in philly would be the one for close to the courts?
dho+designs
Your flight lands @ 11:45? You'll def be able to get to Trenton, but the R7 probably won't take you to Philly that late. Check their website, but you might do better to take the NJ transit into NY and take the chinatown bus that night or next day. The R7 won't take you anywhere near the courts, you'll need to transfer to the Market-Frankford train, get off at the Huntingdon stop.
Pretty sure the SEPTA stops running out of Trenton by midnight.
sorry ab, can't help you with rides to/from the airport. i don't drive these days. i'll kick it with you if you'll be around for a bit, though.
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If staying in downtown (Hotels, or hostel), would the suggestion to be to take the Market-Frankford train to the Huntingdon stop, drive if a car is available, or bike, if you have more than a polo gear on your bike?
I'm sure this is posted somewhere
but I'm too lazy to look. What's going
on Friday evening?
hey Messman and Matt H. Got us a place to crash for the worlds, and its not even made out of cardboard.
how many courts are there at each location for tournament games? Have you decided on a format for round robin games? Do you know how many games we will be playing on saturday? How many teams move on to sunday?
wow, talk about killing a thread.
Seriously. Good job Jonny!
Jesus, not only was everyone in the poloverse too busy playing at the Pit yesterday to post anything, but now they are too hung over to regale the few of us who didn't make it with stories. I'm jealous
what happens at the pit stays at the pit.
F! I don't think I could handle stories or pictures or even videos. hurrrrts naaaaawwt toooo beeee derrrrr, et doezzzzz
Five days and counting ...
"i was made aware"
Abraham,
I just got back from Europe and didn't organize a team before I left cos I'm an idiot. Let me know if you're still looking and I'll play. If not I'll just have to be content with shouting shit-talk from the sidelines...
Fiona
Posting for someone else: Anyone need an experienced (as in years) third?
The rules for game play '09 HBPWC are as follows:
Helmets are required at all times while on court, this includes all pick-up play at Worlds locations. A "helmet" is any helmet meant for use while cycling manufactured after the first Gulf War. Your totally awesome, vintage, NJS certified leather hairnet, army surplus Third Reich trench warfare lid, pee-wee football helmet or Wal-Mart Halloween plastic viking hat aren't going to cut it. Your referee will have the final say in the matter, if you cannot bring a suitable helmet, a loaner will be provided for your use.
All games will be played using Franklin Super Hi-density (red, hot weather) street hockey balls.
The goals will be pylons, 150cm apart at their base, 94cm in height. To be counted as a goal, the ball must bass through these dimensions. Pop-ups and chipshots will not be counted unless your referee can determine that the ball crossed the goal line before it exceeded the height of the cones.
We will be playing with "virtual" nets: The ball must cross the center-line (marked, chalk) of the cones to be counted. Goaltenders must be mindful to remain in front of the goal line, as a goal may be counted if your referee determines that the ball was blocked or deflected by a part of your body or bike which was behind the goal line. An offensive player MAY NOT pass the ball through the net, either to him/herself OR to a teammate for the purpose of shooting. Any ball passed through the "net" by an offensive player must be passed again by the recipient to be viable. In other words, the second offensive player to possess a ball passed through the net is the first who may shoot it.
"Own Goals" will be counted. The only time when a ball may pass the goal line (from the front) and not be counted as a goal is in the case of an offensive player's shuffle.
Bike:
* Players may ride any bicycle. Handlebars must be plugged and you must have at least one brake. A fixed wheel counts as a brake, but be aware that in the instance of collisions where penalties are applicable, referees will be instructed to defer to players with hand brakes.
* Exposed chainrings and other sharp surfaces may be deemed "unsafe" by your referee, and your game may be postponed until the situation can be remedied. There will be mechanical assistance available to correct any equipment which is not satisfactory, if you return for a postponed game with equipment which is still unsafe, you will be asked to forfeit the game.
Mallets:
* Referee will have the final say in mallet safety. Spare ski-poles and mallet head material will be available at the courts to remedy any equipment difficulties.
* Mallet heads should not be made of metal or any material that is sharp and/or could obviously chip, shatter or splinter.
* The handle end of the mallet shaft must be securely plugged.
Players:
* Teams will consist of 3 players.
* During a match, equipment can be substituted at any time. After a serious injury, the injured player can be substituted, but only by another player who is acceptable to both teams. This substitute player must finish the rest of the game, but could again be substituted by the original player subsequently.
Offensive team means the team that possesses the ball in their opponents half of the court or defends the goal which the ball is not in the same half of the court. Whichever may be the appropriate case.
Defensive team means the team that does not posses the ball or defends the goal which the ball is in the same half of the court. Whichever may be the appropriate case.
Start of the Game:
* Players will start behind their goal line with the ball placed at center court. At the referee’s whistle any or all players from either or both teams can charge the ball for possession. Lefties may charge for possession, but they may only play the ball across their bike/body.
Play of the Ball:
* Play of the ball is considered to be anything directly related with, or within one maneuver of, the process of blocking possession, gaining possession, passing, traveling with and putting the ball into your opponent’s goal.
Shuffles & Hits:
A ‘Hit’ is only made from the narrow end of a player’s mallet.
A ‘Shuffle’ is hitting the ball with the broad side of the mallet.
* An offensive shuffle does not count as a goal. If the ball is shuffled into the goal by the offensive team, play continues uninterrupted. Either team can take control of the ball but the team that shuffled cannot score until any second player has possessed the ball.
* If a team puts the ball into their own goal, it is a goal for the opposing team.
* An offensive hit directly into the goal is a goal.
Deflection:
Deflection means a hit coming off of a player’s bike or person whether purposeful or accidental.
* If an offensive player adds momentum or direction with their hand or the broad (shuffle) side of their mallet to a deflection it is not a goal. All other deflections are goals.
Ball Joint and Lobs:
* It is legal to lob the ball (’throw’ the ball with the mallet) and/or to travel with the ball using the ‘ball joint/angelo’ cupping style of carrying the ball but you cannot score with either method.
* A ball carried in such a fashion must be passed to another player before it can be shot.
After a goal is scored/resetting the game:
The scoring team is the team that has just scored a goal.
The conceding team is the team that has just allowed a goal to the opposing team.
* After a goal is scored, the scoring team must return to their own goal area and cannot come back across center court until the ball or any player of the conceding team has come past center court.
* The conceding team takes possession of the ball. No conceding player with or without the ball can then pass half court until all players of the scoring team have passed half court. A shot taken by the conceding team from anywhere on court may be immediately counted as a goal so long as it was taken after all members of the scoring team have returned to their side of half-court. In the case of the scoring team taking undue time returning to their goal, the referee can call ‘game on’. Likewise, in the case of the conceding team taking undue time taking the ball past half court, the ref can call ‘game on’.
* A player is not required to tap out for a foot-down after a goal has been scored but must return to their goal area.
Fouls:
* Players must not touch the court with their feet. Touching the sides of the wall or barrier with your feet is allowed. A foot touching any mallet or ball on the floor is considered a foot-down. Each time a player does foot-down, that player is out of play and may not play the ball until they touch either sideline at center court. The player must immediately tap-out and not purposefully obstruct play. Intentionally obstructing play after foot-down will be considered a serious penalty, however, a possible goal that is blocked by a player out of play due to foot-down is not a goal. A deflection off an offensive foot-down player will not be considered a goal, whereas the same deflection off a defensive foot-down player will be.
* Throwing your mallet is not allowed at any time and will be considered a serious penalty which may result in your ejection from the game.
* Aggressive behavior such as elbowing, grabbing, pushing, punching with hands, pushing or kicking with feet, or headbutting an opponent OUTSIDE OF DIRECT PLAY OF THE BALL will be considered a serious penalty which may result in your ejection from the game.
* A ‘T-bone’ or charging, intentional, forward moving bike contact that is perpendicular or near perpendicular (resulting in a maneuver similar in shape to a letter ‘T’), can be considered a serious penalty, though will not result in ejection unless repeated.
‘Like’ contact that is allowed:
* Aggressive body-to-body and mallet-to-mallet contact is only permitted within the play of the ball. Incidental bike-on-bike contact is also permitted in on-ball play. Contact away from the play of the ball can result in a penalty.
‘Non-like’ contact that is allowed:
* Ball to body, mallet or bike.
* If the ball becomes trapped within a player’s bike or person play stops immediately. The ball will be given to the referee who will return it to play at the site of the incident.
Time outs:
* Refs can call and extend injury and mechanical failure timeouts over and above these rules, but are under no such obligation. The ref will call game-on when appropriate and if the timeout is unnecessary.
* Can be called by a player only after a goal is scored.
* May be called in order to tend to physical injury.
* May be called in order to tend to a mechanical failure.
* Will be limited to maximum five minutes, one per game per team.
Referees and Penalties:
Above all, the players have the responsibility to keep legal play on the court. The referee shall not interfere with game play unless asked to do so by a player, or unless they see evidence of repeated unsafe play. In the case of disputes there are three referees that will be appointed per game, one on court, one at each goal. The referees’ duties will be:
* Have the final word.
* Determine what is and is not a goal.
* Determine what is and is not a foul that can result in a penalty and what the penalty is for such foul.
* Correct the goal if it is moved.
* Keep track of score. Score must be called out after every goal.
* Keep track of time.
* Call injury time outs for major injuries.
* Provide an extra ball at point of exit if the ball is knocked out of play.
Penalties can be:
* Tap out at either or both of the sidelines.
* Be removed from the game for 30 seconds in the case of a timed game, 1 minute for un-timed games
* In extreme cases, removal from the game entirely.
concerning BJs: * A ball carried in such a fashion must be passed to another player before it can be shot.
So if I balljoint up the court and release, I can't shoot it? That seems counterintuitive.
SCOOPS_of_C0M0P0L0
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Tough titties. Rules aren't open for dicussion or critique, they just exist. The template that I used for this rulebook, the EHBPC rules, has been up on the Fed forum for months, and I've directed people there to read them and offer their opinions on how they feel they could be improved. No-one, other than Mike, the London organizer who compiled that rulebook had a peep to say about it. I've been asking people to get involved with their ideas and feedback on rules for months, and haven't heard a word. The present model of tournament play says "play the terrain": players show up and play whatever court and whatever rules local custom dictates. I think this model could be improved on; at the international level, players should know in advance what rules they'll be expected to play by and have some recourse to shape those rules before they agree to be governed by them. That however, is boring, long-winded and far less compelling than the poems, shortstories and selected DaDa ramblings of our beloved Prof. Boardz, so it probably won't happen in the near future. If you'd like to change this facet of our sport, I'd encourage you to create a democratic governing body to oversee the process. Or you can have mine, I'm not using it. It'll be a blast.
i second what pete said... stupid rule. the overall consensus on the bj is that you can't score from a ball that is released from a bj. a goal can be scored if the ball is released first and then hit with the narrow end of the mallet head.. c'mon montana.
also, rules are open to discussion and critique (though you may not change the rule). you shouldnt have posted the rules in an open forum discussion if you don't want them openly discussed.
-hero squad * milwaukee, wi-
oh, also, i'm registered and don;t know how to log onto the hcbpf forum. so i just gotta bitch about shit here
-hero squad * milwaukee, wi-
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what about menace's "scoop shot." can we call a spade a fucking spade? or, as it were, a bj a fucking bj?
TOP CENTER 4-EVA
Adam's "scoop shot" is an example of why I set a "must pass" rule: There are times in play where a distinction is too difficult to make between carrying and shooting. How much less stupid is a rule like "the head of the mallet may maintain contact with the ball for not more than two tenths of one second to be considered a shot"? Easiest to draw a clear line. And besides, the ball-joint sucks.
wow, great job montana, that's the best set of rules (clearest and most concise, whatever the call is) i've seen yet. they are fair and easy-to-understand, and that's a hard thing to do, congratulations.
other than, of course, the clear omission of the "not drinking is cheating" sub-clause of rules and etiquette.
seattle had a a great set of rules too, but i already knew what they were and wasn't pay attention because jason was passed out in my lawn chair.
Hey Montana, i paid attention to the rules forum on the fed site and i didn't really have any problems with what was said there so i didn't comment. The rule about passing after a ball joint was not on the forum and i think it should have been if it was going to be included. Only a few tournaments have included such a rule and i think that it is a significant departure from the norm that it should at least be discussed. I don't see the real benefits of that rule, especially if someone uses a ball joint on the other side of the court and then can't dribble up and shoot.
To clarify, the EHBPC rules were never meant to be the Worlds rules, and I said as much in June. The purpose of the Fed forum was for players (not me) to write their own rules, I began with the EHBPC template because I thought it was well-written and it articulated a lot of things that we could all agree on to start with. I know that there are a few rules there that, if I had left in, you'd be complaining about, so you can't say that you didn't give any input because you didn't see anything you didn't like. There's a couple other things in there you might call a "substantial departure", so read it again carefully. Your last point, however, is spot on. That rule is only meant to govern an offensive player in his opponent's half of the court, and should have been described as such. I'll amend it to specify that the half-court line will reset. BJ all day on your own half of the court - "dribble" if you plan to shoot past half.
We've been getting closer and closer to this in DC and I think it’s a good rule, if a bit complicated. Release the ball joint before you cross half court and you can shoot. Engage the ball joint on the offensive half and you have to pass it. The rule doesn't seem to make that much difference these days because we don't see a lot of carrying the ball with the ball joint anymore anyway, its mostly just used to set up complicated passes.
Rules look good to me, well done. I disagree with "virtual net" and think that defenders coming through the back of the goal is a really unique and exciting part of the game, but I think I’m in the minority on that point.
Will have to talk about how much contact is deemed "incidental" at the pre-game. I hope the tendency will be towards "let the boys play," though I understand you can’t have totally different contact rules for RVA v. Ottawa (love you guys), and expect the rules to seem fair to everyone.
Wait, I misread that: "as a goal may be counted if your referee determines that the ball was blocked or deflected by a part of your body or bike which was behind the goal line."
--> So, to confirm, if my bike is fully behind the goal, but I extend my mallet over the goal line and block a shot, that is properly a blocked shot?
Correct. A keeper (or any defender) may block a shot from behind the "net", so long as they stop the ball before it crosses the threshold of the goal. This is just for keepers whose stance is not totally parallel with the goal. I've noticed instances where a shot has clearly gone "in the net" but been deflected out by a keeper's wheel or body which was behind the goal line and not counted.
Or "let the players play" as it were, correct Eric? There aren't just 'boys' on the court, though we know most of you are.
* Play of the ball is considered to be anything directly related with, or within one maneuver of, the process of blocking possession, gaining possession, passing, traveling with and putting the ball into your opponent’s goal.
It's in there: "within one maneuver of". So if your teammate has posession and is approaching the goal to shoot, a keeper is within one maneuver of blocking that effort: he's "on ball" and contact is appropriate. However, that's also specified as body-body or mallet-mallet, bike-on-bike contact is only incidentally allowable (see the language in "Fouls" about t-bones), so you can't just crash into him. Any off ball contact is a foul, period.
can you explain what one maneuver is?
Yes and no, you have to be facing (approaching) the goal and have a lane to be "one maneuver" from putting a ball on net, just possession won't cut it. But, yes, it allows you to hassle the keeper pretty regularly. That's what refs are for, but I think it's a pretty intuitive distinction. Remember, the only part of the keeper that needs to touch the ground to get him out of net is his foot, so if his whole body is on the ground and in the net, you've just set yourself back.
so from what understand, is that if jonny is on my team and he has a shot on goal from 20 ft out, a soft check (by kev) that forces the player in goal to foot down is legal. i may have misread, but what i understood is that since the defensive player is in play by being in spot to block a shot, he can receive body to body contact?
thanks for the heads up on posting the rules, couple things to think about.
chris is only allowed to score donkey punch goals and his modus operendi for any game he plays against me is to set me up for the free willie all game long.
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i did know how to log into the forum but was weirded out by all the whispering bullshit.
i meant to ask you what it was all about, but i kept forgetting to care about the federation, seeing as we all seem to be a bunch of slackers who also dont really care all that much about the federation as long as we can play polo.
and yes the ball-joint is stupid. i dont typically use it, but what if i pass the ball but recover it without any other players touching the ball?
Yeah, what the fuck IS that about? Chris did a great job for me on short notice, but wtf? I think that means that you can comment on whatever somebody else said, but not make it public, so only some people can see it. The internet is weird. I'm pretty sure that forum was a ready-made that he just plugged the necessary info into, I think he did the best he could with zero input from me. It was really only supposed to do one simple job (talk about rules) pre-tournament, and maybe help start the conversation for a Worlds bid process later. Nobody seems to have cared about the former, and the latter appears to be underway already.
And really, I think we can use common sense with that rule: just don't ball-joint it up to the goal and put it on net and expect it to get counted.
In re: to the full court ball joint, I think you have good rule going, pretty similar to how we play in LA. You can ball joint as long and as far as u want, but you must pass afterwards; you may not go directly from ball joint to shot, unless you passed it to your teammate, then they can shoot it. My 2 cents.
Fuck, if I can't BJ all the way to the goal I just shouldn't come to this tournament. I don't remember how to dribble anymore.
you never did jon, so it won't make a difference.
yes it's true, I need serious Ball Help
i feel you jon, i've been weening myself off the ball joint... there was a time when i never used it and in fact thought it was ruining bike polo. i think i'm finding a good balance now though. it really doesn't matter what the rules are, Hero Squad is still gonna make everyone look silly.
-hero squad * milwaukee, wi-
Sorry but no Bob The Throb this time buddy. See you Friday
3...2...1...GO!
Mallets Of Mayhem
Little Richmond Bike Polo
yr all fukin losing, the tournament is already started and our boy is out getting laid.
we get 400 points.
and our boy gets laid.
Chi 07-08
Paris 08-Whoa
Those of you who want to play pickup on friday afternoon/night, go over to that thread that i made yesterday and make yourself known.
Best of luck to Milwaukee and Madison this weekend. I know you'll do us(midwest) proud.
Best of luck to all the volunteers on a smooth tournament.
Looks like I have a flight from London to JFK on Friday (surprise gift!), however I wouldn't get in until 11pm to New York. Is anyone driving from NYC Friday night who could pick me up at JFK or is there anyone who'd like to keep me company in a rental? The car is only £74 for the whole weekend, meaning a ride back to NYC on Monday would be available as well.
Also, I don't yet have a place to crash in Philly so help on that front would be appreciated as well.
Would love to make it over the pond.
the bj... i have been playing with either a 2 inch head or double caps for say a year or more now so it is imposible for me to ball joint. that being said the lob and ball joint rule for this tournement is just silly. at one point in time this may have been a good rule but i think everyone has moved on from carrying all over the place with the ball joint and if you havent you wouldnt be getting very far the second day any way.its a rookie move. that being said a ball joint/lob pass to ones self does that count as a pass? and for the rules being up to discussion over a forum on the internet is a little ridiculous not all of us are fortunate enough to own a computer or have access to the internet for hours at a time to find such websites then the time to read and contemplate the rules im not saying that we all should have recieved a phone call but there should have been more warning of such a drastic change in the rules. i was all for the fed until this very moment. many of us have been traveling all summer and spent alot of our money working up for this tournement I have to say I'm pretty disapointed. also are there going to be goal judges other then the ref on the court? . also for now on i think if you are hosting a tournement the rules must be posted with in 2 months of anouncing the the tournement that way there are no surprises. and theres more then a week to argue about it othere wise montana i think your doing a great job and i take that back i should have gotten a phone call
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Ok, cool, next time I host the World Championships I'll give you a call first. Promise.
Thanks Chris and Messy for playing some Wednesday night Philly pickup.
Hope all you Florida kids found a spot to be, see you in a couple days.
i dindnt!
and im coming in tomorrow night. ive only heard great storys though,
montana you are doing a great job. i cant imagine the stress you must have.
so LET LOOOOOSE!
AB FROM FLORIDA TO PHILLY,
running catastrophe
yeah seriously what's up with springing up this new ball joint rule less than a week before the tourney? and then saying we've all missed are chance to argue against it?
heavy lobbying by the mallet cap industry?
i don't even mind the intent of the rule, stopping people from shooting right after a BJ, but as written it makes it so you can't BJ to get past one opponent, then shuffle to get past a second opponent, and then shoot..
a better way, I think, is having a 3 second rule. There must be 3 seconds between a BJ and a shot on goal. Simple and easy to enforce, but still fair to those who BJ to move the ball up the court.
anyway, I'm psyched to go down there and play polo. see y'all soon.
I too am willing to abide by and will happily play under whatever rules the gracious host city puts down.
but if you think people aren't gonna argue about this rule as written on and off the court all weekend, you're kidding yourself. Fair is subjective and IMHO this goes too far in punishing those who use BJ's to move the ball around. if you're gonna make a rule like this, at least be kind enough to supply everyone with them fancy mallet caps ;)
again, just my opinion and not trying to be negative, as i think overall the rules are really well done.
3 second rules work in a lot of sports. but whatever..
yeah, i also don't like when people just drag and shoot, but there has to be a better way of making that illegal without unduly punishing those who BJ just to get around an opponent and then play the ball "normal" before a shot.
and yeah single caps don't work for me. I find myself too worried about which end of the mallet is facing which way and end up not drinking enough beer.
montana, i don't see your grounds for implementing this rule. You don't BJ and I'm sure the other 4 or 5 people who play polo in Philly don't BJ either (not with your TPL mallet heads) so i think you should leave the BJ rules up to the Bjers... and to my knowlege you haven't played in or with any euros recently.. plus the fact that the NA's have been playing longer than the Euros, why would you adopt their rules? It doesn't make any sense. I do think that dragging the ball right up to the goal and shooting is weak but you can't get away with that shit when you're playing a good team anyways.. so who cares?
my proposal, if there is to be some rule restricting the BJ, is to have some sort of "No BJ Zone" (or NBJZ) it would look like a 3pt line in basketball and a player BJing would have to pass or make at least one non-BJ touch before shooting inside this area. whaddya think?
-hero squad * milwaukee, wi-
The BJ rule that Montana is implementing is not a European rule. Seems to be Philly/DC.
oh, well montana said he modeled the rules from the EHCBCs, thats where i figured he got the idea.
-hero squad * milwaukee, wi-
well, i didn't see you or montana at the 10 or so tournaments i've played just this year where this was not a rule. (and i'm talking about all the major tourneys, all over the midwest, east and west coasts and europe.. not some day trip to DC, east coast small potatos tourney) nor, were there any last minute bullshit rules at any of those tourneys. (with the exception of the "passing through the front of your goal/ own goals don't count" in seattle, but whatever, they've been playing that way for a long time and ya gotta respect that)
-hero squad * milwaukee, wi-
no, didn't mean to offend you. but, maybe you should stop talking as though your Slapdick tourney set the world standard on the BJ, because you don't know shit. yes, this is just a game and i take it very seriously. yes, you did host a small potatos day trip tournament, but this is the WORLDS and people are traveling great distances and spending a lot of money to compete for the title of WORLD CHAMPION OF HARDCOURT BIKE POLO and the rules for this one matter a great deal. and if a euro team BJs all day long, I want to be able to witness the way they play and not have some altered or abbreviated version. likewise, if a NA team BJs and uses it often i'm sure that the Euros want to experience that too, because those guys are a serious about this shit as i am.
yes, i will play by any rule montana ultimately settles on because, like i said before, it's gonna be MKE, E.Van, and SEA podium regardless.
-hero squad * milwaukee, wi-
ESPI4 was far from perfect but at least we posted the rules up way ahead of the tourney date and then incorporated the suggestions we got from those who were playing (and spending $$ and time to come to our tourney) to try to make them better.
everything else was Gus's fault ;)
this sin't the "philly tourney" or the "east side".. it's the worlds. i think the main rules should be concerning safety. but other wise i say "LET THEM PLAY POLO".. fuck "how they play in philly".. fuck how we play in MKE, i wanna see how they play in europe. as long as you shoot (montana clearly defined a shot) off the tip and don't play the ball after a dab, what other rules do you need other than rules concerned with safety? (contact, etc.)
-hero squad * milwaukee, wi-
Sorry Joe. You can blame Gardener's Supply Company's potato bins. Those things failed to produce a bumper crop for me, but what they produced was suuuure tasty. Them small potatoes were tender as FUCK.
i fucking HATE potatos
-hero squad * milwaukee, wi-
what if you take your potatos and shove them up you ass?
-hero squad * milwaukee, wi-
you guys make an adorable couple.
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i'm just keeping myself from suicide sitting through a day of identical 1st day of class/ syllabus. thank the polo gods for wifi.
-hero squad * milwaukee, wi-
I can give a ride friday night to philly from NYC, if you can get to brooklyn by 8 pm. or southern manhatten, it's not a problem. I'm in a toyota prius by myself with one bike, so I could take two with a bike each comfortably (i don't have a roof or trunk rack). I'm just going to hang out friday night and leave saturday afternoon, so it would only be one way (have to drive to cleveland).
Let me know if anyone needs to go.
That's awesome but only late evening flight from London to NYC gets in at 11pm. ergh! still trying.
I DO!!! ill be in nyc and ready to go with you
i have my polo bike
if its still open let me know...
call my cell and leave a message 850 seven7six 52six eight
i dont have texting
ill be on a plane tonight and just chillin tomorrow
running catastrophe
Yup, shade and bathrooms would be cool.
What about fluids? Being that the games are being played in two different locations it looks like it will be hard to set up camp with a cooler, tools and some folding chairs.
Also, fuck Vas Jr.
but, I was being nice.
I think that another issue with the ball joint is that once a player ball joints past half court you don't have to guard that player any more because they are no longer an offensive threat there teammates are. I can't think of another sport where a player during active play is banned from shooting. I'm not sure if this really be an issue but it could lead to limiting the ball joint to half court. Why not just have a rule where a player must use another touch in order to shoot. I don't ball joint enough for this to really effect my game but i think that the rule could create some awkward playing situations.
i agree with jonny, one non- BJ touch. or, if you relinquish control of the ball for a moment.. for example, lets say a player is BJing and banks the ball off the wall around a defender and then goes around said defender and immediately shoots the ball off the boards... that was DOPE. how are you gonna say that's illegal? this rule could potntially really disrupt the flow of the game for some players and that is the shitty part. this is the WORLDS, not the rookie tournament where montana has to tell us all how to play polo. this tournament should be of the best teams in the world and you need not restrict a move that hasn't been restricted in the past because we ALREADY KNOW WHAT THE FUCK WE'RE DOING!...
OR, better yet, why not invent a bunch of other bullshit rules that no one has ever heard of... because it doesn't matter. it's still gonna be Milwaukee, East Van, and Seattle standing on the podium (in that order) and y'all know it.
-hero squad * milwaukee, wi-
oh shit!
it's still gonna be Milwaukee, East Van, and Seattle standing on the podium (in that order) and y'all know it.
shit just got real.
PETE_of_C0M0P0L0
www.comopolo.com
single out styles of play in a tourney.
I need to play with a cap mallet I dont think I can resist this rule.
wccmbp
we have an open space in our hotel 2 miles form the court any takers? i also have a new large blue bern watts helmet for sale
www.mkebikepolo.com
^I'll buy that off you if it fits my melon head.
ya i might be interested too if it fits my head and my budget.
kremin, didn't ben give you that helmet?
kremin i might need to talk to you about that bern helmet. so hold it for me till we talk.
the ball joint rule is bad because it adds too much predictability to the game. as soon your opponent sees you BJ they can realize "he can't shoot now" and they can defend you differently. personally i don't want to be watching for BJs so i have to think how to play D, i just want to play polo. i'm not even attending the worlds, but i don't want to see this rule become the norm thats for sure
First off, I'm stoked that my rules were used as a template for the Worlds. I say 'my' rules but BenS in Chicago, Montana himself, Brian in Ottowa, Jake in MKE, Strom in Basel, Miguel in Berlin, along with a few others in the world, all had a say (or at least a chance to have a say...) in these rules, making them truly international.
I've never heard of anybody disallowing a shot from a released BJ so I've never really thought about it but it doesn't really make sense to me for at least a couple reasons mentioned in posts above.
Also there's a bit Montana altered:
* Aggressive behavior such as elbowing, grabbing, pushing, punching with hands, pushing or kicking with feet, or headbutting an opponent OUTSIDE OF DIRECT PLAY OF THE BALL will be considered a serious penalty which may result in your ejection from the game.
- which reads to me like I can headbutt another player who has possession of the ball. I'm sure that's not the case (hopefully) but that's how I take that wording.
Also ryand said:
"If you have possession, you are one maneuver from scoring."
Awesome! I love how some people think they can score from anywhere no matter what! If you only look at having possession of the ball as a maneuver then you're still at least 3 other players away from scoring, that's usually going to take a few more maneuvers...
Anyways, well done Montana and I wish you a flawless event!
Good luck to my Northeast London boys - Malice International and everybody keep an eye out for my girl Roxy, she's the nicest person you'll ever meet!
Wish I was there...
Mike,
London, UK.
The twin towers are gonna fuck shit up
I wish the roolz were posted before my team spent the money on it
now i gotta go special order a helmet to fit my massive head
thanks dickhole
the BJ rool sucks. change it.
why don't you go cry about it baby! and cut your hair hippie and maybe you'll find a lid that fits.
I have the world's biggest head and if I can find a helmet that fits, anyone can.
Go to walmart, buy a helmet, and then return it after if you must.
wow, this thread is exhausting.
joe/jake/kremin - please bring me some PBR goodies and I will happily cheer for you in your impending victory.
Everyone loves a tournament BJ.
nvrmnd
montana i dont know you ..but ...i respect you .... over the last couple of monthes you and your boys have really come through for polo by putting this thing together ...i noticed your rules where written in ink (net) not stone ... but it all reads the same to me polo polopolo.... bjs off the wall those are so sweet...
i guess my point is .if you asked me to play with only one shoe on ide considder it..and then play on.. cuz i know where you stand...good luck guys
s+H=polo
just play polo you fucks. some of us don't get to make it to worlds, we just have to get drunk in our own cities and cry and pine over the championships that are apparently filled with ungrateful bitches who have to argue over whether or not you're a bitch for ball jointing or not (you are). learn to dribble, shut the fuck up and play some god damned polo. marco!!
well said.
x2!
Every city has a differnt set of rules, get used to it!
Game frekin on...
EVBP
Will anyone stream the tournament?
okay, how about this? we should get helmet cameras, attach them to various polo players, and then stream it live. then, all of us at home, who...apparently have nothing better to do, can watch the games.
Any cam streaming. Just one.
Seattle beats east van. Seattle = world championships.
Absolutely amazing polo play. We got schooled by the best and had a killer weekend all around.
Thanks you, thank you, thank you.
HEY! Post your photos/videos with the tag: WHBPC and 2009.
Congrats to SMILE, you guys are truly the best in the world! East Van thank you for putting Canada on the podium. Angelo and Alexis it is always great playing with you. There are so many people to thank but I'll start with thanks to all the europeans that came to make this as close to an international championships as we have been able to have thus far. Special mentions go out to Catherine,(?) Amanda, Roxy, and so many more. All the sponsors that came on board. The Axles of Evil, Montana good job. Leaving for the road back home now.
Much love to all.
Coach
More standings? Third place? Attendance numbers?
Chicago Bike Polo 2003-2008
St Louis Bike Polo 2008-fun
highlights? lowlights?
yeah we need proper written reports. Twitter is pretty much useless for that.
Yorgo
LONDON: http://bricklanebikepolo.wordpress.com/
PARIS: http://panambikepolo.blogspot.com/
1st: Smile (Seattle, Seabass Leon Dustin)
2nd: Ballz Deep (East Van, Rory Chris Pieter)
3rd: Faceless Emotion (NYC, Doug Paul Zack)
4th: Wisconsin A (Jon A, Matt H, BriBri)
5th/6th: Ottawa (Coach / Ange / Alexix) and RVA (JT Nick Ian)
7th/8th: Madbikepolo (Jonny Ben Kev) / NYC/Philly (Chris R, Alex, Capriotti)
9th/10th/11th/12th: I'm not too sure, but i think it was Hero Squad (MKE), Machine Politics (LA/PDX? EDIT: Joe/Ben/Matt from Chicago), Prophecy (East Van), and one other team (EDIT: retroactive abortions from PDX/LA?) ... If anyone has pictures of the losers bracket, post it! Here are a couple from the winner's bracket: http://twitpic.com/gqlv6 and http://twitpic.com/gqlga
Top European Team: Malice International.
Male MVP: Seabass (SEA)
Female MVP: Kayla (PDX)
The sixteen teams eliminated on Saturday had a single elimination tournament on Sunday, won by an Ottawa team.
i think that the final of the winner's bracket (Faceless Emotion vs Smile) was the best game i've ever seen. 0-0 for at least 10 minutes. Seattle finally won 5-3.
Thank you everyone for an amazing weekend. Montana, Katherine, Mark and the rest of the Philly crew - way to go on the first ever World's of bike polo. I really don't have anything to say other than that. It was amazing. I had too much fun running the fun tournament and then even more fun watching the best polo I've ever seen with some of the best people I've ever met. Ditto to Kevin on Faceless Emotion vs. Smile being the best game to watch - so unbelievable. Many, many, many congratulations to Seattle. And to top it all off, I got the best prize ever: Shuffles the Polo Cat.
PICS PLEASE.
All of you lucky bastards who have the weekend burned into your memory probably probably have a pic someone missed witnessing, like the rest of the poloverse. Please post.
All hail Cascadia. Congrats to all.
BRINGING THE RUCKUS next year
Ian RVA:
There will be more soon. Once I develop film. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecilyupton/sets/72157622165133657/
Sorry Rory/Leon, I don't care who won, RVA played the best polo I've ever seen!
NYC played a killer tourney! Agreed Faceless Emotion vs Smile was one sick game. I really enjoyed Faceless Emotion vs Poloreo (or was it?) as well but then again, I'm totally partial... What can I say, we've got the fastest, meanest, hottest, most awesome polo players out there!
Unfortunately as there was always a game I just HAD to see at the main court I never made it over to the other courts and therefore didn't get to watch most of the Euro kids play which I was really looking forward to. I guess I'll just have to go visit their home courts.
BAD it was nice meeting you and having you over. Please come back soon.
Congrats Leon, Seabass, and my good man Dusty, those games were some of our best of the summer, you are both great players and gentlemen. My thanks to Rory and Chris and all of East Van for three years of the best polo ever, to those Philly kids for burning down the hay-bale court, and to everyone else from all over for coming to North America, especially L'Equipe Geneva, the classiest team at the entire tournament.
See you all in East Van in twelve days, can't wait until the Eagle Has Landed.
Thanks to everyone that helped out. there are too many names to mention, because so many people got involved and helped get Montana and Kathryn through the weekend.
I feel like i'll be in east van tomorrow. see a bunch of you freaks there soooooon.
killer photos from Urban Velo:
http://urbanvelo.org/world-hardcourt-bike-polo-championships-photos/
I wanted to say thank you to everyone who helped when things needed to get done. A big thanks to Montana, Kathryn and Mark for making the tournament happen. Additional thanks to Pete for helping with the afternoon courts, straight edge Ft Lauderdale Jared and Jason for moving the kegs, P. Cola Ryan for help running the Cohox courts, Leon for starting the Cione courts on Sunday, Molly and Ab for helping with merchandise and other things and Cecily for running the side tournament. More thanks to P. Cola AB, Seattle Wade and Mike, DC Ryan and others who left one of the most exciting games to help Kathryn with the fire hay bales. It was great to see everyone who came out, especially the International players. I know I am forgetting people who helped, but without these people the tournament would not have happened as it did. Thanks again.
And congrats Team Smile.
Amazing weekend. Thanks to Montana, Kathryn, Mark, Amanda, and everyone else who pitched in.
Seattle v. Ballz Deep in the finals was incredible -- both games. I think my favorite game was Ballz Deep v. Faceless Emotion in the semi-finals (or quarters?).
Great to see Madison, MKE, Joker LA, Martin East Van, Chicago, Ottowa, Smile, Nano, and others again. Great to meet so many new people. Shouts to Swerve, Dave, Messmann, Ryan DC, Hot Buttered Peanuts, and a dozen or more other people. Thanks to our hosts, Alison and Erin. Oh, and [insert diss] to Pieter. Big love to all.
Team Smile ftw!
Onward and upward Euro bike polo!
congrats to smile and ballz deep
way to put on a show!
thanks for putting me up, and putting up with me!
by a bike, a cab, a bus, a train, a plane, and a car
i made it home and slept for a good 12 hours
cant wait to see yall again
running catastrophe
as someone who wasn't there... but thought about the tournament all weekend... how exciting to finally have an event that has polo players around the world tuned in, eager to hear the results, waiting. i hope to be there next year, thanks for all the updates and news. hope to see some of you at the crown! Cara
East Van Bike Polo
Back in the UK! Wow that was such a whirlwind trip. Awards for best bagels and pancakes to Alison and Erin has the best sense of humour ever, too funny. Thanks for letting us crash!
I feel so honoured to have gotten to meet "Brian from Ottawa" and Messman finally in the flesh. So great to see Leon and Seabass again, just the loveliest. Really good to meet some of the Chicago crew, Brian, Ben, and Joe. Huge props to Lauren for learning and implementing the brackets in a day. I hope you all will still be in Chicago in the spring! Team Oreo, I look forward to receiving my new shorts (unwashed) in the post.
Mollie and all, thanks for managing the merch stand. Amanda, way to go stepping up to the challenges. Montana, you threw the first ever World Hardcourt Bike Polo Championship and should be very proud of that.
Cecily and Miss Maya, I wish I could have talked more with both of you. Kathryn, pleasure to meet you!
As for Bad, Malice, CCC, Berlin, Geneva, DTG,P , FAG's well, I just love you guys!
I saw such great polo throughout the weekend and throw-ins yesterday was a perfect way to see out the weekend. It was so much fun.
Thank you to everyone who welcomed the Euro's!!
On a different note, I forgot my team hoodie at the court. It's black with BRBPC on the back with a skull embroidery. Did anyone at the throw-in's grab it?
!!!!Thanks Everybody!!!!
oh, oh, and congrats to Geneva for beating Smile in the throw-in's!!
Worlds + 2010 = Europe
roxy you forgot it at pick up on monday. we played til about 430pm or so. Swerve has it and will send it out with the unwashed pants per your request. the hoodie had a ulock key on it aswell.
THanks to Philthy for the polo worlds and meeting some fine polo players you got out there. Finally, I got to meet the rest of the bad ass polo world. Thanks all for playing polo and making it an unstoppable force! polo is recession proof! count it! I need a A team for worlds next year in Berlin!
Messmann
bikepologuru
seattlebikepolo
since 1998
Congrats to the podium and a big "Wow, great job!" to Atwell, BriBri, and Matt H on the 4th place finish. Holy fucking shit guys, nice job.
A special note to Team Smile, perhaps this could be your new theme song?
Yep, Atwell/BriBri/Matt were definitely the dark horses of this tourney. But no one who saw them at the ESPIs or Midwests this year should be surprised.
yeah that was a xrazy great time in Philly and NYC. Im real keen to up mah polo game personally and also of my friends in Paris, seeing all that go down in Philly super motivated me and gave me a ton of new ideas. It will be a fine time when the Euros get their game up that of you guys stateside, I think Geneva showed (they have only been playing 2 years) that this could happen pretty fast. Having tourneys like this in the future which bring everybody together will no doubt quicken that process but for sure they'll be fun as hell.
Plus size big thanks to all the NYC folks who were so generous and patient helping us navigate the city and polo. I had some super fun pick up games there, cant wait to get back. I'd be stoked to repay to any of you guys, the hospitality which Ken showed to me and my FAGs.
edit: forgot to say, having the final of the lower 16 teams before the Smile/DeepBalls game was a crazy good idea, I guess everyone kinda agreed but whoever had that idea should now get a further inflated sense of ego
Nick
Chi 07-08
Paris 08-Whoa
The Philly airport is the worst fucking place I have ever been. Hay-bales in the security area, $100 bike fee on Continental ($15 on the way here), I had to go in through security to print my boarding pass ($5.11 at UPS) and then come back out, $5.71 for a cup of coffee. I am going straight to the washroom after this to flush my wallet down the toilet so they can't get more of my money, and then when I get home I am going to start a polo VIP travel agency. Pack your bags, the Jagermeister jet is coming to a city near you.
Thanks Leah and Mark and Mike for housing, transport, and introducing us to Butch.
The first independent World Hardcourt Bike Polo Championship was definitely a milestone. Montana, Kathryn, Amanda, Lauren, Roxy, Ryan FLA, Molly, Justin and all the refs - with all the ups and downs and odds against you kept working and by the end we definitely found ourselves either playing in or watching some of the best polo matches ever witnessed. RVA and Ballz Deep. NYC and Seattle. Cheers to that.
Thank you Europe!!!!! Berlin, Paris, London, Geneva - it was SO FUN to meet you all and spend some time on the court together, especially getting to play Paris TWICE!!! Top-notch polo from across the pond and I can't wait to visit in 2010!!!
NYC - an apt return. So rewarding to see this team back on (and off) the court. See you soon in Los Marcostan.
Seattle and RVA - if we'd had a grace and finesse award, it'd be a toss up. Two of the most engaging and talented teams I've ever witnessed in action, both of which not so coincidentally also have arguably the two most talented players in the game - Nick and Seabass, you guys need to have a baby. Figure it out. Congrats to Leon, Dusty, and Seabass on the win (and thanks for the floor space) and Nick, J.T., and Ian for a glimpse of the future.
Ballz Deep and Ottawa- I just fucking love you guys. Playing against, talking with, watching - it's why I travel to these tournaments. And watching Brian/Coach breakout and deep-six Chris Roberts with a succession of bottom bracket shots from heaven - so rad.
Wisconsin A - Hey, Matt. How's disappearing for a year only to return as a member of the 4th best team in the world? Asshole. BriBri, Atwell, and Hewitt, coming together and just slaying teams left and right. Inspiration award, hands down.
Kremin, BriBri and Hewitt - easily one of the highlights of my trip was Saturday night dip in the Holiday Inn rooftop pool followed by riding on the handlebars/saddles of these fine gentlemen, cruising down the Benjamin Franklin Parkway as the slowly setting orange sun perfectly lit our approach to the Philadelphia Art Museum, a.k.a The Rocky Steps. Cheesesteak followed. Thanks MKE.
Keith from Chicago: This motherfucker broke his hand in his team's very first game. Then he proceeded to play the rest of the tournament, including a stellar game against Faceless Emotion. Badass award.
Cecily - your photo exhibit was fantastic. And not just because you took the best photo of me I've ever seen. (I'm just saying, I'm not very photogenic.)
Swerve and Martin: thanks for keeping me laughing all weekend long. You guys are the best.
Thanks to Suzette and Brooks, Chrome, and Patagonia for sending Chicago in style. Also, a big thanks to Ben's Cycle, Velocity, Seagull Bags, Freight, Trophy Bikes and all of the other sponsors I'm forgetting right now.
Lastly to my team, Machine Politics. Nice recovery, eh? Matt, you were the rock this weekend and Joe, you dropped 'em like you always do. Love you.
there are definitely too many people to thank and, seeing as though the reality of work after two months off and a shit ton of beer drinking is finally catching up to me, i will be brief.
thanks to chris and lauren for their hospitality. i know it's hard to have that many people in your space for that long.
thanks to cecily for use of her car and for being an all around rad person.
thanks to ken for letting me sleep on his roof.
thanks to paul for the bbq.
thanks to the brendans and their roomates in philly.
thanks to my teammates. i love you guys. hey, we were #1 for a day - nothing to shake a stick at!
thanks to montana for running the show and to his legions of "day-of" helpers running the brackets and side events (mark, amanda, etc.). montana, you helped me out of an awkward situation on aturday. thanks!
thanks to mark and chris for giving me a taste of their meat medicine and what will be the next best thing.
thanks to ken for doing the collection for joker and chombo's bikes.
thanks to lucky 13 for being my idea of nirvana....
thanks to the europeans for coming. vidal, it was fun shit talking you and i hope to do it again one day. dickweed (ha!). james brown, i feel we may be kindred spirits. stephan and mark are two of the ugliest "drunken sailor" mother fuckers i've ever seen (except for maybe rory, ken and myself).
thanks to irving for being a right cunt. the type of cunt any cunt would love to fuck.
thanks to all of nyc for your hospitality and for having such a kickass city. i had a blast there.
philly is a shithole.
TOP CENTER 4-EVA
Thank You Philly, what a wonderful weekend. To all that helped throw this incredible shindig, THANX x1000!! Im not sure of all the names but Amanda, Kathryn, Mark and Montana, Thank You. Of course, Ken and Brian of Portland, you were the best. Thanx for taking a chance on me and helping to deliver us some big-ass victories over some tuff teams. I Look forward to joining you guys at future events. Even though my all time favorite bike (110% for sure) I've ever owned got jacked, I still had a smile all day today reminiscing over the fun times. Thanx to Seabass for the frame, and everyone else for chipping so CH0MB0 and I can get back in the saddle. Cheers!
Sounds like an amazing weekend, really jealous of the people who made it across... Well Done everyone involved in the organising and playing...and congrats to Leon, Seaweed and Dusty, awesome guys hopefully see you soon.
Ray
London
here are some pictures i took in nyc and philly:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30991664@N06/sets/72157622196615319/
thanx montana for this tournament, great organisation, i just missed a spokescard i could proudly put in my rear wheel to show the other euroguys that i played the worlds. hope to see all of you next year in europe for the next worlds. we will make sure that there are a preweek with lots of parties, bbqs, lucky13 bars and a great tournament with europeans who are in shape and ready to enter the top 10 of the world of bike polo.
Who took the photo of me and Dave getting our posters signed by Team Smile?
Jesse
Collar City Bike Polo
Troy, NY
Antiques Roadshow 2049 for real!
LOL
In the meantime it's going in a frame & on my wall to feed my stoke!
Jesse
Collar City Bike Polo
Troy, NY
Sorry to hear 'bout The Green Bastard getting jacked bro. Lets take a moment and give it up for theft at polo.
This was lots of fun. I want to thank my team mates for all the great games and all of the competition as well for the great games. I love watching E.Van and NYC play, not necessarily against each other but any time they play. They're all great players. Thanks Montana and everyone involved in the organizing. RVA, fuck you. Best/funniest quote. "Just the tips. So many tips. Oh, I'm so satisfied right now." Ben saying good bye to us through the chain link fence.
Some photos. East Van v. Chicago and Madison v. MKE in here.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattgvidal/sets/72157622243313445/
What a weekend.
First of all, I want to thank each and every one of you who reached out to Joker and me in our time of misfortune. You are truly the family I don't got in this life.
Baines, thanks for getting our backs on the court. so grateful and glad that NYC and RVA mesh so well all the time. We'll do this again.
The matches were dizzying to watch and there were so many good plays...congrats to C*******a...you all played with a perfect balance of finesse and power...and watching those NYC vs. whoever games brought tears to my eyes. Good to see you back, guys.
Lastly, gotta thank that dude from Germany who totally brought my spirits up by showing me that dope-ass cigarette rolling trick. you sir are the MVP. That was the great thing about this tournament - meeting folks from everywhere, witnessing the whole cultural exchange, etc. It wouldn't have happened were it not for Montana & co.
Thanks Philly
-c.
see you all at LOS MARCOS MELEE!
about 500 photos now here: http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=whbpc&ss=2&s=int including a 300 good ones by dhodesigns.
you shall not pass!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ottomatona/3932143031/
awesome photo, I'll tell him to tag it with WHBPC
here is a link to some pictures.
A lot of Joust Stuff, Euros, doug eating philly cheesesteak, and Morcostanians.
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Tucker
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thepassingofdays/
Uploading 134 photos right now, check em out.
PETE_of_C0M0P0L0
www.comopolo.com
Montana with a smile on his face!!!
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Marco!
Hey all !!! :D
I finally got signed-up on here, so my first order of business is to share a link to all the Worlds 2009 photos I have posted on my Facebook account. If you can identify people or bikes that I don't have tagged, ***please*** tag them correctly or contact me to do it. I'd like it all recorded properly!
Thanks! ENJOY!!!!! :D
cheers from "Molly of the Merch Tent"
~Mollusk~
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2162210&id=24400101&l=df20044d85
.... and, actually, I think I have a ton more, that I just haven't gotten around to posting yet :P I'll look into it!
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the future